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Neuroscientist warns Gen Z first generation less cognitively capable than their parents (fortune.com)
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In 2002, Maine became the first state to implement a statewide laptop program to some grade levels. Then-governor Angus King saw the program as a way to put the internet at the fingertips of more children, who would be able to immerse themselves in information.

By that fall, the Maine Learning Technology Initiative had distributed 17,000 Apple laptops to seventh graders across 243 middle schools. By 2016, those numbers had multiplied to 66,000 laptops and tablets distributed to Maine students.

King’s initial efforts have been mirrored across the country. In 2024, the U.S. spent more than $30 billion putting laptops and tablets in schools. But more than a quarter-century and numerous evolving models of technology later, psychologists and learning experts see a different outcome than the one King intended. Rather than empowering the generation with access to more knowledge, the technology had the opposite effect.

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[–] 1 point 1 month ago (8 children)

COVID is competing with Vietnam enlistment and lead/asbestos poisoning, when it comes to generational intellectual speedbumps. Nevermind the sheer dearth of educational establishments prior to the Boomer-Era buildout of high school and college campuses.

I mean, Vietnam didn't happen to children...... But I get that's not your point. However, just because this generation is seeing cognitive development hurdles, does not mean others didn't face their version as well. The largest difference is things like lead have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. Their reduction marks an improvement to a situation that had been endemic for generations.

Something like COVID or the introduction of screens marks a new impediment that is being laid on top of residual ones that people in the past also dealt with.

I lived through the era when everyone and their kid brother was being diagnosed with a learning disability.

Yes, but children had always had those impairment, diagnosis have just been better at catching disabilities.

And when weed was supposed to obliterated cognition in young people. And when video games were rotting brains. And when Cliff's Notes was destroying academia. There's always something.

Yes, based on the hysterics of the news, not scientific consensus.

so many "My 16-year-old is a drooling idiot" hysterical denouncements of modern education. And it's all couched in this insufferable nostolgia for a past that never existed. Long-form Op-Ed articles about how not wearing a bike helmet built character or why Montessori School turned our kids queer. Screaming tirades about the poor quality of STEM and the insidious nature of liberal arts education, combined with jerk-off sessions over Classical Education and the endless need for Teaching The Controversy and in-class debates.

Again, you are arguing against a straw man of your own making. My examples were based on scientific studies, not news reports.

Fewer people* have access to consumer credit today.

That's not true according to the latest SCE CREDIT ACCESS SURVEY

Reported application rates for any kind of credit over the past twelve months increased in February to the highest level since October 2022, driven by an increase in credit card applications. The overall rejection rate for any kind of credit over the past twelve months decreased to 15.9 percent, the lowest level since June 2021. Rejection rates fell across all credit types.

most of that debt is housing debt, not retail consumer debt, anyway

That's always been true? Consumer credit card debt is also near an all time high, especially with how popular buyitnow pay later plans have gotten.

The $18.2 trillion isn't distributed equitably.

Never said it wasn't?

It's also overstated, given that a bunch of it is bad medical and housing debt that debt-holders refuse to write down.

Which still counts as disposable income spending.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I mean, Vietnam didn’t happen to children…

    US soldiers killed in Vietnam were as young as 16. The average age was 23, so assume roughly half under that. The human brain isn't fully developed until 25. FFS, we didn't let people vote until 21 when the war started. And we only passed the 26th amendment in '71, directly in response to the contradiction between enlistment and elections.

    Something like COVID or the introduction of screens marks a new impediment that is being laid on top of residual ones

    I'll spot you COVID, at least for the specific cohort that hit their prime learning years during the shutdown.

    But the introduction of screens? We've had screens since the 1950s. And, I gotta throw back to XKCD on this one...

    The introduction of keyboards has been an enormous boon for education.

    Yes, but children had always had those impairment

    And in a largely agricultural or early industrial economy, it hasn't been a serious issue. These only truly become classified as "impairments" when they interfere with a very specific kind of intellectual labor.

    Reported application rates for any kind of credit over the past twelve months increased in February to the highest level since October 2022

    So we had a four year long dip and we're finally caught back up?

    Which still counts as disposable income spending.

    There is no elasticity in these budget items.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

    US soldiers killed in Vietnam were as young as 16. The average age was 23, so assume roughly half under that. The human brain isn't fully developed until 25.

    Yes, but you aren't interfering with a child's ability to learn which is what we were discussing. At that age cognitive function that is typically affected by PTSD and high levels of stress is impulse control and rational control over your emotions.

    the introduction of screens? We've had screens since the 1950s. And, I gotta throw back to XKCD on this one...

    If you cared to read the study you would have learned that they are specifying passive activities. Playing games that actively have the user engage with thought is fine, what is harmful and is a growing problem is passive participation. Where the only thing you do is just swipe to the next piece of entertainment .

    If you would have bothered to read the source you would have known that this comic doesn't have anything to do what we were talking about.

    And in a largely agricultural or early industrial economy, it hasn't been a serious issue. These only truly become classified as "impairments" when they interfere with a very specific kind of intellectual labor.

    Again, what does this have to do with your argument..... We do not live in an agrarian society.

    So we had a four year long dip and we're finally caught back up?

    No, we've been growing in debt and access to debt since the crash in 08, in 20-21 we saw a two year lull due to the pandemic. Since the end of the pandemic we have seen the most aggressive rebound in history, largely spurred by inflation and post pandemic spending.

    There is no elasticity in these budget items.

    That is not relevant to the current argument.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    you aren’t interfering with a child’s ability to learn which is what we were discussing

    Drafting a kid out of high school and putting them on a 12-month tour of duty absolutely interfered with their education. Even if they never see a day of combat, they're still doing some menial work that allows their accrued educational experience to atrophy. Same as what happened during COVID.

    they are specifying passive activities

    They are specifying interpersonal communications through text.

    In this study children 10-12 were asked to compose text messages. The number of textisms was recorded, and a positive correlation was found between use of SMS abbreviations and success at literacy tests. This is then related to David Crystal's concept of "ludic" language: the playful use of language as a contribution to language development. That notion is developed here: By playing with textual language, one develops writing skills

    How is this "passive"? None of it involves "swiping".

    Again, what does this have to do with your argument…

    That public reporting on learning difficulties only became interesting when students were educated to the level at which the difficulty was relevant? It goes directly against the notion that the current generation is in a unique situation.

    That is not relevant to the current argument.

    It is extremely relevant.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    Even if they never see a day of combat, they're still doing some menial work that allows their accrued educational experience to atrophy.

    They never drafted anyone out of highschool. Less than 2k people either illegally volunteered to deploy or deployed with their parents permission. Which means they were choosing to end their education. It's not great either way great, but it wasn't event that happened to them, nor does it match with any sort of scale we've been discussing.

    In this study children 10-12 were asked to compose text messages.

    I was talking about the study I linked, not yours.

    It goes directly against the notion that the current generation is in a unique situation.

    During the transition from agriculture to industry of course there weren't any interest in studies about learning difficulties, there weren't even studies..... I never claimed that idea of cognitive imparments is new, just that it was a new event that caused imparments.

    It is extremely relevant.

    Care to extrapolate?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    They never drafted anyone out of highschool.

    Plenty of 18-year-olds were drafted during both Korea and Vietnam. Since deferment expired once you were no longer enrolled, this meant anyone who couldn't get into college was fair game.

    I was talking about the study I linked, not yours.

    And I rebutted it with my own.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Plenty of 18-year-olds were drafted during both Korea and Vietnam. Since deferment expired once you were no longer enrolled, this meant anyone who couldn't get into college was fair game.

    So it would not be interfering with their education......as you would be out of highschool and not in college.

    And I rebutted it with my own.

    That had nothing to do with my claim..... Do you understand how arguments work? Or is your reading comprehension just that bad?

    My claim was based on screen time with passive engagement was bad for children. Your rebuttal was a source concluding active engagement was beneficial. Those two statements do not conflict with each other.

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