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Elon Musk ‘Secretly’ Used Starlink To Foil A Ukrainian Attack On Russian Naval Fleet Over Fear Of Nuclear War: Report (www.mediaite.com)
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What an utter piece of shit.

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[–] 180 points 3 years ago (5 children)

Hang on... That's sabotage. Straight up. That's a criminal offence no?

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  • [–] 48 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yep, but he's rich. I fully expect nothing to happen.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Yeah. According to the article, he straight up told the top military brass of the Biden administration right afterwards and they did nothing. No prosecution, no whistle-blowing to the press about a war crime. Nothing.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    What do you suggest they do?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Prosecute him, of course! Maybe hit him with sanctions for directly supporting the Russian war effort? Because that's what stopping an attack on their fleet is.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Prosecute him for what?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Are you dense?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Krolden is asking specifically what crime he should be charged with, implying you would struggle to find one. This certainly isn’t treason against the US because the US is not legally involved in the war. It’s unclear from their post whether they support Ukraine or Russia in the conflict so I’d suggest taking it at face value.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Why can't you answer the question?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    They already said, sabotage. I'm not going to pretend I know the law but sabotaging a military to which we are actively providing aid is likely frowned upon. Prosecution may not be a possibility though, but I imagine this is giving regulators ammo for later.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I wasn't asking you. And that still doesn't answer my question.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    How does that not answer the question sabotage is literally a federal crime and it doesn't exclusively apply to the US military.

    He cut off internet to a group that thought they had it while they were depending on it for an operation they already started, if that's not sabotage I don't know what is.

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  • [+] -45 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    For what countries laws? He's not a Ukrainian citizen

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  • [–] 42 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    So if you're not an American you're free to sabotage the US as much as you want and it's not a crime?

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    So if you're not an American you're free to sabotage the US as much as you want and it's not a crime?

    Two points.

    First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you're neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.

    Second, not sure where you got the "sabotage the US" part from:

    • the request came from Ukraine
    • from the beginning, Musk has been sabotaging Russia by disabling Starlink outside of Ukrainian borders, this was supported by both Ukraine and the US
    • the Ukrainian request was for removing part of the sabotage so Ukraine could attack Russia with Ukrainian drones
    • it wasn't a US request, it didn't involve any US assets, or any US operations

    Maybe Ukraine should have asked the US, instead of asking a private non-Ukrainian citizen.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you’re neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.

    Yup, and the US charges non-citzens that are not on their soil all the time. If they can't get the extradition there's nothing they can do about it unless the person sets foot on US soil, but that doesn't stop it from being a criminal offence or from the person being charged.

    Second, not sure where you got the “sabotage the US” part from

    It was an analogy. The person I was replying to seemed to be saying "It can't be a criminal offence because Musk isn't Ukranian" which is nonsense. I assumed they where likely American and used an example of something closer to home to show why that is incorrect.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago*

    First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you're neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.

    No, this is demonstrably false in many areas of law.

    For example OFAC explicitly targets non US persons and organizations in sanctions enforcement. It is explicitly written into nearly every presidential order authorizing sanctions. I'd be happy to direct you to a few if you like, but you can just pick any from here: https://ofac.treasury.gov

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  • [+] -16 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah but it's not called treason, treason is to your own country, ofc this is still an illegal offense in Ukraine but I don't think it's treason?

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