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I think mouth cancer risk is increased even
Does nicotine itself cause cancer??
No it doesn't
It passed the AMES test.
Vaping can potentially cause minute amounts of harmful chemicals if you greatly misuse the device, but the studies that found that had methodologies designed to produce harmful chemicals (like firing the coil for 90s at double the normal voltage)
And it's always left out that any harmful chemicals are orders of magnitude lower than in tobacco.
No it's not. Nicotine by itself is about as harmful as caffeine.
You are wrong
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4553893/
where as there is growing evidence caffeine actually reduces the chances of getting cancer
https://www.cancer.org/research/acs-research-news/coffee-and-cancer-what-the-research-really-shows.html
And
You said
And that is either incredibly misinformed or willfully deceptive. Nicotine is harmful to the cardiovascular system profoundly more than caffeine, which is not harmful in moderation.
and that was not what I claimed. The claim is that evidence shows it promotes cancerous development, it is not a complete carcinogen. So, you are addressing something that isn't there.
The claim I was addressing said it was as safe as caffeine, but evidence shows it promotes cancerous development, which is not being a carcinogen in and of its self, where as evidence is demonstrating caffeine can actually help to prevent cancer. Also, you are completely glossing over the deleterious effects on organs that aren't cancer.
which is to say it's definitely harmful for your cardiovascular system if you have a fuck ton of it, and people tend to when they vape 60mg/ml and have a cigarette's worth in a 2 second puff.
They really should regulate the amount of nicotine in that shit. Not sure about Zyn but I know they go way too far with Juul vapes.
That's not how those numbers work. The form of nicotine used in disposables (nicotine salts) is not very bioavailable, and can't be directly compared to the nicotine content of a cigarette.
It especially can't be compared to the old vapes that maxed out at 18mg/ml, because they used freebase nicotine which is more bioavailable.
The coil used and the ratio of base ingredients also has a lot to do with it. A mesh coil with max VG can give the appearance of more vapor than a liquid with higher PG, even if the nic content is the same.
I thought this was the same as dip? Maybe I'm mistaken.
No, it's just a flavored nicotine pouch.
Ah ok that's different then, my bad