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[+] -16 points 2 months ago (16 children)

The Chinese firewall isn't surveillance, lol. It's to keep American surveillance from surveilling Chinese citizens. I'm sure your familiar with Snowden and Assange?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    Yet Chinese surveillance is surveilling everyone else.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Surely there's proof of the Chinese government surveilling the rest of the world, more so than the 5 eyes countries, otherwise the original statement of the EU doing surveillance "China style" is just xenophobia.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    I didn't mean "in relation to the Chinese government" when I mentioned "Chinese surveillance", I meant "surveillance of Chinese origin". If you check ad and tracking blocklists, by far most popular ones are either in the US or China. For me that's equally as bad as government sponsored. Although "government sponsored" usually implies "of big(ger) scale", it's not necessary.

    There are more than just 5 eyes.

    I am going to refrain from arguing, for I have taken note of your instance being "lemmy.ml". As much as I hate discriminating by instance, I have to do what I have to do.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I'm not arguing, nor am I looking for anecdotal evidence, lol. I'm asking you to prove your own statement correct.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Your position is that China isn't a surveillance state?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    My position is that it's less of a surveillance state than America and the rest of the west. Prove me wrong.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Can you prove that the West is more of a surveillance state?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Snowden already did. Plus I didn't make the original claim that the EU is doing surveillance "China style". I'm fucking asking any one of you morons to back up your bullshit.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Snowden showed an extensive surveillance yes, no one is denying that. I also didn't make the claim. Im fucking asking you to back up your bullshit. I appreciate your race to the bottom mentality though. Keep at it

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