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[–] 146 points 2 months ago (66 children)

"You'll agree more with republicans as you age" was always something I heard from right wing nut jobs when I became voting age. In fact, the opposite has happened.

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  • [+] 60 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)
  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I’ve heard it as “if you’re still a communist when you’re 40, then you’re poor.”

    You can also substitute communist with socialist or liberal.

    Also I’ve heard another version where 20 is democrat, 30 is Republican, and 40 is libertarian.

    It’s all “my team” kind of bullshit.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    At 20, you're a democrat because you have dreams and hopes, but being young and poor, you depend on the system's generosity to get successful.

    At 30, you are a Republican, because you start having a life of comfort, and even if you refuse to admit it, you know well your comfort relies on some other people working hard in miserable conditions, but you really like your comfort, and you rationalize this with "economic growth will lift everyone from poverty" even though you really want some people to do menial tasks for you, and for cheap, and you want everything to be cheap, so people producing goods and delivering services can't be paid too much, and can't have it too easy, or they'll quit and you'll lose your benefits!

    At 40, you're a libertarian because you finally made peace with the idea that there will be poor, there will be rich, it is what it is, but now you want your voice level to match your bank account. Why would you pay more taxes (in absolute) than most and at the same time let these folks decide what to do with the money?? You'll manage the money you want to give to the community, and it will only go to the charities and projects that deserve your generosity. That way things are much fairer.
    You didn't totally forget about the you at 20, but you look at your kid, and decide we don't need free education or some shit, because low/no taxes mean you can save enough to pay for their education. And for the poor, well: you were poor at 20, so they should just take example on you and work hard to get out of poverty!

    If you recognize yourself in this, know that at all ages, you were probably a PoS, but only with the age did you reveal your true colors!

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I started out libertarian in my twenties, then democrat in my thirties, now socialist in my forties, and I'm not poor.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (19 children)

    You get more and more immersed in right wing propaganda as you get older. You get exposed to more reactionary institutions, you find yourself increasingly segregated from people of different races and income scales, you suffer the psychological torments of the capitalist rat race more nakedly, and it all adds up.

    Lots of people I grew up with in high school are Trump Republicans now. They weren't MAGA shitheads in school, mostly because they were blank slates. They were warm to ideas like "Free College" when they were in college and cooled on it once they graduated (or flunked out). They were "moderate" when they had friends who were coming out of the closet and dealing with racial abuse and coming home in body bags during the Iraq War. But they grew increasingly right-wing when the law firm and the O&G offices and techbro money orgies demanded it of them.

    Even before AI started straight up poisoning people's brains, they were getting into Facebook groups and Discord channels that rotted them. Nevermind the endless barrage of NYT / WaPo "Why These Trump Voters Need To Be Listened To" articles and CBS / ABC "Transgender Athletes: A Threat To Your Kid's Scholarship?" TV slop that drives so many liberals insane. Nevermind the Zionists, those nice sweet liberal folks whose faces melt right off the moment you suggest butchering millions of brown people might be bad Middle East policy.

    Fucking sucks, but time really does turn people rightward when you live in a fascist hellhole.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    that's not being a blank slate though, that's being so devoid of empathy that you can't even imagine what it's like being yourself a few years ago.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    that’s not being a blank slate though

    It's people who don't have a strong opinion because they haven't been bombarded with a particular flavor of social media yet.

    A twenty-year-old is going to have a different view of alternative ethnic groups than a forty-year-old, simply by way of psychological attrition. You can only get so many "Black Man With Sour Face In Orange Jumpsuit" local news jump-scare stories before the racism is bludgeoned into your gray matter.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    People also become more isolated from “others” as they age, at least those with stable jobs. They are surrounded by people of the same financial ability, and their job keeps them in an area, and their income matches to a house.

    It’s not until they get laid off or they have a medical event that they start to think about it again. As long as the life compared to their peers is ok and their bellies are full, they don’t complain about trillionaires.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Even past this, I think we undersell the socializing value of public schools. This is particularly true of the big state universities, where you're going to be bumping shoulders with people from the opposite side of the state (even the other side of the country). But even public high schools have a way of co-mingling people from the other side of the tracks for one reason or another.

    They are surrounded by people of the same financial ability, and their job keeps them in an area, and their income matches to a house.

    Absolutely this. Bigger cities can kinda-sorta avoid this. But the people you know best are going to be your coworkers and your neighbors, strictly by virtue of proximity. One of the perks of social institutions like churches and gyms is that you butt up against people who aren't perfectly parallel with you in terms of socio-economic status.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Problem now is that even those of us that managed the dream fucking hate them because they won’t share shit due to them being in some weird pedophilia club or something.

    I assume in order to not be mad at them you need to have 10 mil invested or something.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    It happens, I'm sure. Constant exposure to propaganda and an increase in money can do that to you. But it didn't happen to my parents (who are seniors now) and it didn't happen to me, yet.

    My point is, it won't happen to everyone like I was told by people in the town I grew up and first voted in. I grew up in a conservative hellhole, one that may or may not have one of the most corrupt and theocratic governments of any state, if that gives you any hints.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    My point is, it won’t happen to everyone

    Sure. Nothing happens to everyone (except the one big thing).

    But it happens to enough people such that it shapes general public perceptions and vibes.

    I grew up in a conservative hellhole, one that may or may not have one of the most corrupt and theocratic governments of any state, if that gives you any hints.

    But I agree, it cuts both ways. I wasn't a raging leftist in high school. I flirted with Republicans, because they were in the majority. I flirted with Libertarianism, because it seemed like they agreed me on a few things at least. I flirted with the local liberal establishments, because it at least looked like a runway towards progressive policies.

    You can only see so much corruption, insincerity, and complicity before it drives you to the fringes. If I wasn't a fire-breathing leftist tankie wumao third-worlder Bookchin afficianado, I guess I would have ended up doing QAnon shit from the strain of it all.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Ha, I thought theocratic government would narrow it down. It's Utah.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago*

    Truth is, it was never about age. It was about asset accumulation. The more you had to protect, the more right-wing you got, generally speaking. There are obviously exceptions.

    They fucked everything for younger generations so hard now though that we AREN'T able to accumulate assets to the degree where that shift happens in large numbers anymore. So we are staying left-wing for the most part. Unfortunately they seem to have realized their error and decided to just brainwash the really young gens with AI slop brainrot instead.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    There used to be a bit more truth to that statement. But not anymore. I'm exactly 43 years old.

    Republicans today aren't the Republicans of my childhood and youth. They were bad then, but holy shit they're terrible now.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe because they expected more of us would have wealth to protect? I always thought it was a stupid idea they told themselves to explain why their kids didn’t like them.

    Personally, I’ve always been concerned about corrupt leaders coopting the inevitable wave of power coming to the millennials as the boomers faded away. I didn’t want to become like the previous generation, so I’ve paid extra attention to resisting being convinced to hate “out” groups. Only, the power never transitioned. Egg on my face, I guess.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Even as a child I knew the older generation was fucking everything up. I kept waiting for them to disappear but they never have...

    It's only as I have grown older that I understand that these terrible people just get replaced with more and sometimes worse people...

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    A racialised socio-economic buffer in-between liberal elites and the underclasses was the whole point of the creation of the (so-called) "middle class" through Keynesian economics - that's really what the "New Deal" (in the US) and Apartheid-era economic policies in South Africa was all about. By giving a relatively small (and white) section of the working class a small taste of private property they'd become invested in the colonialist liberal economic order, and it was pretty successful too - it's the reason why boomers are the way they are.

    However, now that Keynesian liberalism has inevitably degraded into neoliberalism (which is really an inevitable process) that pretend-social contract is essentially in tatters - so I guess all bets are off.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Nitpick: the USA didn't adopt Keynesian monetary policy until after the Nixon Shock, as a post hoc rationale. Keynes helped destroy the middle class, not to create it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    My aunt said "When you're older and wiser, you'll understand".

    I'm now a Democratic Socialist and 37. I still do not understand and have, in fact, become more leftist with age.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago*

    What they actually mean is "You'll agree more when you're rich and complicit in benefiting from ever more unethical practices of people around you that you now have to make mental gymnastics about to make yourself still seem like a decent person". But that's a bit too long.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I can't help but wonder if that actually used to be true, but it was because of more accumulated lead exposure over time rather than aging over time.

    I'm an old white guy born into conservative religious america, and my entire adult life has been spent sliding to the left as I observe the left being correct and giving a shit about people while the right continues to be disingenuous and destructive and greedy.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I'm an old white guy born into conservative religious america, and my entire adult life has been spent sliding to the left as I observe the left being correct and giving a shit about people while the right continues to be disingenuous and destructive and greedy.

    Same here and it's been a long road. I lived in Seattle for 5 years and it was just amazing not being surrounded by right wing religious zealots.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Getting older includes losing your field of fucks to give. If you've spent your life bullying and celebrating your ignorance like them, you'll become more conservative. If your views and your morals have stayed somewhat consistent and you've been generous, courteous and compassionate, those values will persist your lack of fucks to give, often pushing you further left rather than right.

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