▲ 343 ▼ Andy Burnham Declines to Call Israel’s Mass Killings in Gaza a Genocide (novaramedia.com) submitted 2 months ago by EatingOnions@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 86 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 42 points 2 months ago (1 child) Wanted to say the same. From the frying pan into the fire. Labour will get wrecked in the next elections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 21 points 2 months ago (5 children) Only for the similarly Israel funded Reform to win, because while we keep fighting on whether the next candidate is anti-Israel enough, Reform manages to unite the dumbfucks of the country. And if Brexit has proven anything it's that the damn country has way too many dumbfucks who'll gladly throw away everything just so a guy who blames the "right" people for the country's troubles gets to be PM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 24 points 2 months ago i mean, people could try voting Green, no ? fascist or fascist lite it is ffs permalink fedilink source parent [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (2 children) I'm sorry that I draw the line at genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago The "I'm flexible when it comes to child mass murder abroad if that stops the far-right for 4/5 more years here" crowd are something else. That's not having any Morals or Principles beyond "what in it for me". permalink fedilink source parent [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Same here, we are the worst. Basically we're terrorists for resisting fascism and genocide. We should be ashamed of our racism. anywho.. should we make tshirts? bbq maybe? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 12 points 2 months ago I agree. Labours weakness in recognizing that a more leftist oriented stance is needed will be a windfall for the Reform Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) So why you are giving reform and easy win? Labour is to blame of reform wins permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Because the alternative is to criticize Israel, and that's so impossible for him to consider that he'd sooner hand the UK over to fascists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago Cause they don't care about winning. They just want to uphold the interest of capital. permalink fedilink source parent [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 months ago* (1 child) So, lesser of two evils is the game? If that's the game we're playing, than will you be voting for Reform or Conservative? Because we can't vote for third parties like Labour. That would be throwing your vote away. The two top parties in the UK right now are Reform and Conservative. If you believe that red lines don't matter, and that all that matters is choosing between one of the two parties that will win, then that means your choice currently is between Reform or Conservative. Labour is a third party. Labour is not a valid choice for anyone trying to be strategic and choose the lesser of two evils. So, will you be voting Reform or Conservative next election? Or suddenly will the lesser evil no longer apply? The only way anyone can support Labour right now is if they reject the lesser evil approach. Of course, if you do that, then you have no place whining about the red lines other voters have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) The two top parties in the UK right now are Reform and Conservative That's untrue by any measure. If reform is top by voting intention, conservatives are third or fourth. If conservatives are top by MPs, reform are sixth or seventh. But it is true that actual Nati slogan-repeating racist, muslim-hating Nigel Farage has been polling highest, and it's legitimate to worry about him doing in the uk and the middle east what trump is doing in America and the middle east. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I'm talking about actual poll results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election It's Reform as the clear favorite, with Labor and the Conservatives dueling for the third spot, and the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago Also consider the accuracy of polls three years in advance of an election. Reform's success is a problem, but an even worse problem is reinforcing the narrative that their success is inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Labor Labour. the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls According to the graph, that was true for a month in December last year and for most of the graph labour were leading the conservatives by a clear margin. So, I reiterate, your claim that the UK is a two horse race between reform and the tories is untrue by any measure. And it's especially not a strong argument if you'd rather I vote green than labour. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fonix232@fedia.io 21 points 2 months ago (5 children) Only for the similarly Israel funded Reform to win, because while we keep fighting on whether the next candidate is anti-Israel enough, Reform manages to unite the dumbfucks of the country. And if Brexit has proven anything it's that the damn country has way too many dumbfucks who'll gladly throw away everything just so a guy who blames the "right" people for the country's troubles gets to be PM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 24 points 2 months ago i mean, people could try voting Green, no ? fascist or fascist lite it is ffs permalink fedilink source parent [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (2 children) I'm sorry that I draw the line at genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago The "I'm flexible when it comes to child mass murder abroad if that stops the far-right for 4/5 more years here" crowd are something else. That's not having any Morals or Principles beyond "what in it for me". permalink fedilink source parent [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Same here, we are the worst. Basically we're terrorists for resisting fascism and genocide. We should be ashamed of our racism. anywho.. should we make tshirts? bbq maybe? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 12 points 2 months ago I agree. Labours weakness in recognizing that a more leftist oriented stance is needed will be a windfall for the Reform Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) So why you are giving reform and easy win? Labour is to blame of reform wins permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Because the alternative is to criticize Israel, and that's so impossible for him to consider that he'd sooner hand the UK over to fascists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago Cause they don't care about winning. They just want to uphold the interest of capital. permalink fedilink source parent [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 months ago* (1 child) So, lesser of two evils is the game? If that's the game we're playing, than will you be voting for Reform or Conservative? Because we can't vote for third parties like Labour. That would be throwing your vote away. The two top parties in the UK right now are Reform and Conservative. If you believe that red lines don't matter, and that all that matters is choosing between one of the two parties that will win, then that means your choice currently is between Reform or Conservative. Labour is a third party. Labour is not a valid choice for anyone trying to be strategic and choose the lesser of two evils. So, will you be voting Reform or Conservative next election? Or suddenly will the lesser evil no longer apply? The only way anyone can support Labour right now is if they reject the lesser evil approach. Of course, if you do that, then you have no place whining about the red lines other voters have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) The two top parties in the UK right now are Reform and Conservative That's untrue by any measure. If reform is top by voting intention, conservatives are third or fourth. If conservatives are top by MPs, reform are sixth or seventh. But it is true that actual Nati slogan-repeating racist, muslim-hating Nigel Farage has been polling highest, and it's legitimate to worry about him doing in the uk and the middle east what trump is doing in America and the middle east. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I'm talking about actual poll results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election It's Reform as the clear favorite, with Labor and the Conservatives dueling for the third spot, and the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago Also consider the accuracy of polls three years in advance of an election. Reform's success is a problem, but an even worse problem is reinforcing the narrative that their success is inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Labor Labour. the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls According to the graph, that was true for a month in December last year and for most of the graph labour were leading the conservatives by a clear margin. So, I reiterate, your claim that the UK is a two horse race between reform and the tories is untrue by any measure. And it's especially not a strong argument if you'd rather I vote green than labour. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 24 points 2 months ago i mean, people could try voting Green, no ? fascist or fascist lite it is ffs permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (2 children) I'm sorry that I draw the line at genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago The "I'm flexible when it comes to child mass murder abroad if that stops the far-right for 4/5 more years here" crowd are something else. That's not having any Morals or Principles beyond "what in it for me". permalink fedilink source parent [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Same here, we are the worst. Basically we're terrorists for resisting fascism and genocide. We should be ashamed of our racism. anywho.. should we make tshirts? bbq maybe? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago The "I'm flexible when it comes to child mass murder abroad if that stops the far-right for 4/5 more years here" crowd are something else. That's not having any Morals or Principles beyond "what in it for me". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Same here, we are the worst. Basically we're terrorists for resisting fascism and genocide. We should be ashamed of our racism. anywho.. should we make tshirts? bbq maybe? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 12 points 2 months ago I agree. Labours weakness in recognizing that a more leftist oriented stance is needed will be a windfall for the Reform Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) So why you are giving reform and easy win? Labour is to blame of reform wins permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Because the alternative is to criticize Israel, and that's so impossible for him to consider that he'd sooner hand the UK over to fascists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago Cause they don't care about winning. They just want to uphold the interest of capital. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Because the alternative is to criticize Israel, and that's so impossible for him to consider that he'd sooner hand the UK over to fascists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago Cause they don't care about winning. They just want to uphold the interest of capital. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 months ago* (1 child) So, lesser of two evils is the game? If that's the game we're playing, than will you be voting for Reform or Conservative? Because we can't vote for third parties like Labour. That would be throwing your vote away. The two top parties in the UK right now are Reform and Conservative. If you believe that red lines don't matter, and that all that matters is choosing between one of the two parties that will win, then that means your choice currently is between Reform or Conservative. Labour is a third party. Labour is not a valid choice for anyone trying to be strategic and choose the lesser of two evils. So, will you be voting Reform or Conservative next election? Or suddenly will the lesser evil no longer apply? The only way anyone can support Labour right now is if they reject the lesser evil approach. Of course, if you do that, then you have no place whining about the red lines other voters have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) The two top parties in the UK right now are Reform and Conservative That's untrue by any measure. If reform is top by voting intention, conservatives are third or fourth. If conservatives are top by MPs, reform are sixth or seventh. But it is true that actual Nati slogan-repeating racist, muslim-hating Nigel Farage has been polling highest, and it's legitimate to worry about him doing in the uk and the middle east what trump is doing in America and the middle east. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I'm talking about actual poll results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election It's Reform as the clear favorite, with Labor and the Conservatives dueling for the third spot, and the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago Also consider the accuracy of polls three years in advance of an election. Reform's success is a problem, but an even worse problem is reinforcing the narrative that their success is inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Labor Labour. the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls According to the graph, that was true for a month in December last year and for most of the graph labour were leading the conservatives by a clear margin. So, I reiterate, your claim that the UK is a two horse race between reform and the tories is untrue by any measure. And it's especially not a strong argument if you'd rather I vote green than labour. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) The two top parties in the UK right now are Reform and Conservative That's untrue by any measure. If reform is top by voting intention, conservatives are third or fourth. If conservatives are top by MPs, reform are sixth or seventh. But it is true that actual Nati slogan-repeating racist, muslim-hating Nigel Farage has been polling highest, and it's legitimate to worry about him doing in the uk and the middle east what trump is doing in America and the middle east. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I'm talking about actual poll results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election It's Reform as the clear favorite, with Labor and the Conservatives dueling for the third spot, and the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago Also consider the accuracy of polls three years in advance of an election. Reform's success is a problem, but an even worse problem is reinforcing the narrative that their success is inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Labor Labour. the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls According to the graph, that was true for a month in December last year and for most of the graph labour were leading the conservatives by a clear margin. So, I reiterate, your claim that the UK is a two horse race between reform and the tories is untrue by any measure. And it's especially not a strong argument if you'd rather I vote green than labour. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I'm talking about actual poll results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election It's Reform as the clear favorite, with Labor and the Conservatives dueling for the third spot, and the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago Also consider the accuracy of polls three years in advance of an election. Reform's success is a problem, but an even worse problem is reinforcing the narrative that their success is inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Labor Labour. the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls According to the graph, that was true for a month in December last year and for most of the graph labour were leading the conservatives by a clear margin. So, I reiterate, your claim that the UK is a two horse race between reform and the tories is untrue by any measure. And it's especially not a strong argument if you'd rather I vote green than labour. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago Also consider the accuracy of polls three years in advance of an election. Reform's success is a problem, but an even worse problem is reinforcing the narrative that their success is inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Labor Labour. the Conservatives have been ahead most frequently in recent polls According to the graph, that was true for a month in December last year and for most of the graph labour were leading the conservatives by a clear margin. So, I reiterate, your claim that the UK is a two horse race between reform and the tories is untrue by any measure. And it's especially not a strong argument if you'd rather I vote green than labour. permalink fedilink source parent