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Finally an explanation (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

I didn't see the show, but your claim of circular logic isn't even accurate. If it was "they were murdered because they were bad and you can tell they're bad because they were murdered" that'd be circular. In this case maybe your concern is hypocrisy or double standards, but "I can do bad thing to bad man cuz bad man is bad" is the cornerstone of our justice system.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    I, good person, can do bad things to bad person. You disagree? You must be bad person.

    Good person do bad thing to bad person because bad person is bad person. I'm not simplifying how this is circular logic any further.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's seen as bad to punch people. If someone is punching you and punching them back will get them to stop, generally most people would think it's ok to punch them back. That doesn't mean punching is good. It means that sometimes doing a bad thing (punching people) may be need and does not always make you bad as an individual.

    Unless you are a complete pacifist and against self defense of any kind (including restricting freedom of movement such as imprisonment), I'm not really sure why you'd disagree.

    Doing bad things to bad people does not make you good, but it doesn't make you inherently bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    For one thing, my point in bringing up circular logic is that terms like 'good' and 'bad' are nebulous depending on your worldview. Liberal worldview = MAGA bad. MAGA worldview = Liberal bad. They're both right, but that isn't my point.

    I'm not saying 'bad people shouldn't be punished for their crimes'. I don't believe that for a moment. For their crimes is an incredibly important distinction here. The reductive nature of the statement 'I'm good person so I can kill bad person' leads me to believe that this can't be a criticism of someone like Luigi. If it is supposed to be a criticism of him and other activists; murderous or otherwise, then it's so stupid that it loops back around to be a criticism of the poster. Because if that's what they believe Mangione's logic was then it is 100% projection.

    Like, you can apply any context for a post as nebulous as this. This could just be meant as a funny poke at Light Yagami the character. This could be meant as a jab at conservatives. This could be meant as a jab at liberals. This could be meant as a jab at so many idealogical fault lines that suggesting you have the context would require you to know the creator.

    And again, it's circular fucking logic. Last time I checked Mangione's motives pointed a straight fucking line to killing Brian Thompson.

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