▲ 399 ▼ USA: Slate's New Electric Truck Will Cost Slightly More Than $24,950 (www.caranddriver.com) submitted 3 months ago by tychosmoose@piefed.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 320 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/electricvehicles/p/2162853/usa-slate-s-new-electric-truck-will-cost-slightly-more-than-24950 Range is said to be 205 mi (330 km), higher than the original estimate. This price is for the basic truck. The SUV configuration is expected to be $5000 more.
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 128 points 3 months ago (58 children) As Canadian… American company?, nope Owned by Bezos?, hell nah permalink fedilink source hideshow 58 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 62 points 3 months ago (25 children) Bezos was one investor, not the owner permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (24 children) Slate raised at least $111 million in Series A financing, including an undisclosed amount from Bezos. Slate then raised $600 million in 2024 from Mark Walter, the controlling owner of the Los Angeles Dodgers and CEO of Guggenheim Partners, Jeff Bezos, and General Catalyst, a venture capital firm.[5] In mid-2026, the company said it had completed a $650m series C investment round, which took its total capital raised to $1.4bn.[6] source Bezos was seed money AND part of the owner conglomerate that raised all the capital the company started with in 2024. That is enough for me to avoid this like the plague as it will, certain as the sun is hot, be enshitified to the core If you do not believe me, here is an article explaining how this is all a big Amazon initiative https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/08/inside-the-ev-startup-secretly-backed-by-jeff-bezos/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (23 children) I would truly not be surprised that this would be an attempt to take over there ev truck market, but manufacturers should have been paying attention. There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it While I'm sure they'll try to enshittify, the downside to that plan is that they need to make sure no one takes their place and they need to have something people want that they can enshittify. The benefit of simplicity is that it makes it simpler for another manufacturer to pick up the slack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (6 children) I drove a small truck at one point. Think a late 90s Tacoma, Ranger, or something like that. I don't want an F250. I don't want a Ram 3500. I just want to be able to haul a bed full of bikes to the MTB trail and help my friends move a washing machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tychosmoose@piefed.social [S] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child) Slate has a size comparison widget on their website. You can show it with the silhouette of a current full size pickup and a circa 1985 small pickup. It's almost exactly the same size as that generation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago That's cool. 99spokes does that for bicycles and I've found it useful in that respect. Would be cool to compare all of the cars I ever had like that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I really love my hybrid Maverick. It is still bigger than I want, but it works really well and averages about 40mpg. I can also fit it in a normal parking spot, which is nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago I wish the Maverick was body on frame and had better tow capacity. It’s almost what I want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Exactly mini-truck FTW! They used to be everywhere. Now you can't find one. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 3 points 3 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (3 children) There’s a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it Absolutely correct. The American car makers keep on saying "we only want big trucks" but that is complete BS, there is plenty of demand for smaller trucks which is why they have lobbied the gov to all but ban any possible import The benefit of simplicity is that it makes it simpler for another manufacturer to pick up the slack. While this is true in theory, in practice it rarely shows up. If these trucks do deliver a good, simple experience at $25K, others would not be able to just copy it and catch up. It would be easier for any of the big guys to just buy the company. If the company is not for sale, then they would have the monopoly on small trucks and thus, freedom to enshitify permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) While this is true in theory, in practice it rarely shows up. If these trucks do deliver a good, simple experience at $25K, others would not be able to just copy it and catch up. It would be easier for any of the big guys to just buy the company. I agree, but without the complications of a combustion engine, it makes it a lot easier. You can buy ev conversion kits for around $15k, so there's also an "I'll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers" option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago so there’s also an “I’ll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers” option. Always the best option! hahahaha permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago there is plenty of demand for smaller trucks Blame a 62 year old law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax I had this badboy in the 90s and it was the most practical vehicle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it Ford is. The Maverick is selling like hotcakes (not the 60s coupe). And they have an electric small truck coming soon as well. There's also Tello. permalink fedilink source parent [–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 3 months ago (10 children) There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it That's incorrect. The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz exist and are very popular. Toyota is about to release one to compete with the Maverick, and Dodge has a small and a mid sized truck in the works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) Those are midsized. I would say Hyundai is the only one with the Santa Cruz, and that's not really a truck. Edit: I stand corrected, I had assumed the maverick was rwd/awd, not fwd/awd. I'm going to amend my statement and say the maverick is also not really a truck. I consider having the drive wheels under the payload to be an important aspect of a truck. Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago The Santa Cruz is exactly as much as a truck as the Ford Maverick is (which is to say, they're both unibody vehicles). permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz Neither are small. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) That’s incorrect. The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz exist and are very popular. And they are still inefficient monsters compared to what a real small truck should be: Ford Maverick (2022+): Length: Approx. 199.7 inches (5.07 meters) almost 1.7 meters larger, 6 feet or so Width: Approx. 72.6 inches (1.84 meters) Height: Approx. 68.7 inches (1.75 meters) Bed Length: 4.5 feet (approx. 54 inches / 1.37 meters) 45% LESS cargo space than a kei truck Typical Kei Truck (e.g., Suzuki Carry): Length: Max legal limit is 3.4 meters (133.9 inches / 11.15 feet). Width: Max legal limit is 1.48 meters (58.3 inches). Often around 1.4 meters. Height: Varies, but typically around 1.9–2.0 meters (75–79 inches) including the cab/bed height, though the cargo bed side walls are very low (often ~1 meter total height from ground). Bed Length: Typically around 2.0 meters (78 inches / 6.5 feet), which is actually longer than the Maverick's bed in some configurations relative to the vehicle length, though the total footprint is much smaller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) You gotta add a normal US truck to your stats. The Santa Cruz and Maverick are 2-3.5ft shorter than a Ram 1500. I have a Santa Cruz, and it looks like a toy truck next to the normal ones. Especially next to duallies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago oh yes most others are way bigger… but I was comparing the "small" trucks that are actually available in the USA to make the point they are not in the same level the real small trucks are permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Kei trucks are power limited and speed limited for urban use only. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago yes. they are small so they can work best in urban areas… nobody wants a kei truqk to work a farmein texas permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 months ago (2 children) Same as a European, I do hope it succeeds though and as much as I hate bezos if he's backing shit like this my opinion of him has increased by about 3.83%. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Miaou@jlai.lu 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Hmm? We have much better options available in Europe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Canajan@piefed.ca 12 points 3 months ago (4 children) For the life of me I don’t know why we don’t develop something like this in Canada. It’s so frustrating, we have the people, the manufacturing space, the materials, we could do this. Whenever something about Canada making vehicles gets brought up, all the nay sayers climb on immediately saying how it can’t be done. I’m sick and tired of them. Nothing worth doing comes easy, if left to these naysayers we’d all be still living in squalor. We need to move away from the U.S. entanglement, the American public can’t be trusted to elect a proper government. Building our own low cost, modest feature vehicles would be an excellent start. How many features of a car do people use for a normal commute to work, or such? I’d love a truck like the Slate, except it has to have 4 wheel drive ability. After having Hondas with all wheel drive, I’ll never go back to an older 2 wheel drive vehicle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Ive had TWO vehicles that were manufactured in Canada. They were both fine. What weirdos are saying canada cant build cars? permalink fedilink source parent [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Before the current political chaos, you would have made a mint. A little ingenuity and affordable value, along with the worlds second biggest car market next door would have been huge permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago 100000000% agree permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago (4 children) New Chinese EVs will be hitting the streets soon. Much cheaper and higher quality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (9 children) I heard that Bezos left the company as an investor. I don't blame you for disliking anything American, but Slate Auto seems alright so far... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (8 children) He was never "in it"; but he put up the seed money, then participated in the main round of fund raising and placed a ton of his people in the company. So even if his is not personally involved, he has all the strings he needs to pull it where he wants it to go (which, IMO, means Slate will be enshitified to the full the moment those little trucks start selling) https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/08/inside-the-ev-startup-secretly-backed-by-jeff-bezos/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago (5 children) What I wonder is how exactly are they going to enshittify it? It's extremely barebones and modular in a way that anyone can design add-ons and accessories for it. I can see them doing subscriptions and the like for various add-ons but you can always just get the base model and get add-ons elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (4 children) They can betray the customer in many different ways... I am not willing to pay $25K to find out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think my desire for a small electric pickup truck might override my caution in this case, we'll see if I get burned. At the very least I'm not going to preorder and will wait for real critical reviews after it's released. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago that's honestly a good approach… I'd do the same permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Generally yes, but with a modular and simple-by-design vehicle... how though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* They could simply stop producing certain parts, sneak a specific custom piece somewhere, provide no diagrams or documentation for third parties to produce repairs. They could simply design parts that fail just after warranty. There is an app that goes with it, right there they have the chance to scan and sell your data, push ads to you, track your driving, etc. I don't know exactly but there are more ways they can enshitify a product than my imagination allows. You see, greedy people do not enshitify for sport, they do it for greed as enshitification means more money for them. So unless you are convinced Bezos put money here to help people and not make as much money as possible back, the only logical conclusion is that he wants to milk it as hard as possible, this is what he does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago If they enshittify in the future, then you can just not buy one of the enshittified trucks. The old ones will still be out there, rolling around fine, without any internet connection that the company could use to remotely sabotage them. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) It's never going to be released. Zero prototypes and being pushed by a billionaire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago* They've been promoting it recently and have several working prototypes that they've been driving influencers around in. There was one video with Marques Brownlee and they even let him drive it himself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] treesapx@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago At this point I think there's a high likelihood that production will start close to their plan of late this year. As the other commenter said, you can go watch multiple videos of test drives. Pre-orders opened yesterday. But what do I know? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) Sounds like it's your chance to pull an Edison (like the Canadian Edison semi trucks). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) Ew Edison... But yes, some other poster also was surprised something like this could not be started up in Canada I know our government here is also crappy and has tried to squash related initiatives before but I should look into it more permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] XLE@piefed.social 62 points 3 months ago (25 children) Bezos was one investor, not the owner permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (24 children) Slate raised at least $111 million in Series A financing, including an undisclosed amount from Bezos. Slate then raised $600 million in 2024 from Mark Walter, the controlling owner of the Los Angeles Dodgers and CEO of Guggenheim Partners, Jeff Bezos, and General Catalyst, a venture capital firm.[5] In mid-2026, the company said it had completed a $650m series C investment round, which took its total capital raised to $1.4bn.[6] source Bezos was seed money AND part of the owner conglomerate that raised all the capital the company started with in 2024. That is enough for me to avoid this like the plague as it will, certain as the sun is hot, be enshitified to the core If you do not believe me, here is an article explaining how this is all a big Amazon initiative https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/08/inside-the-ev-startup-secretly-backed-by-jeff-bezos/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (23 children) I would truly not be surprised that this would be an attempt to take over there ev truck market, but manufacturers should have been paying attention. There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it While I'm sure they'll try to enshittify, the downside to that plan is that they need to make sure no one takes their place and they need to have something people want that they can enshittify. The benefit of simplicity is that it makes it simpler for another manufacturer to pick up the slack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (6 children) I drove a small truck at one point. Think a late 90s Tacoma, Ranger, or something like that. I don't want an F250. I don't want a Ram 3500. I just want to be able to haul a bed full of bikes to the MTB trail and help my friends move a washing machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tychosmoose@piefed.social [S] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child) Slate has a size comparison widget on their website. You can show it with the silhouette of a current full size pickup and a circa 1985 small pickup. It's almost exactly the same size as that generation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago That's cool. 99spokes does that for bicycles and I've found it useful in that respect. Would be cool to compare all of the cars I ever had like that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I really love my hybrid Maverick. It is still bigger than I want, but it works really well and averages about 40mpg. I can also fit it in a normal parking spot, which is nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago I wish the Maverick was body on frame and had better tow capacity. It’s almost what I want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Exactly mini-truck FTW! They used to be everywhere. Now you can't find one. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 3 points 3 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (3 children) There’s a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it Absolutely correct. The American car makers keep on saying "we only want big trucks" but that is complete BS, there is plenty of demand for smaller trucks which is why they have lobbied the gov to all but ban any possible import The benefit of simplicity is that it makes it simpler for another manufacturer to pick up the slack. While this is true in theory, in practice it rarely shows up. If these trucks do deliver a good, simple experience at $25K, others would not be able to just copy it and catch up. It would be easier for any of the big guys to just buy the company. If the company is not for sale, then they would have the monopoly on small trucks and thus, freedom to enshitify permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) While this is true in theory, in practice it rarely shows up. If these trucks do deliver a good, simple experience at $25K, others would not be able to just copy it and catch up. It would be easier for any of the big guys to just buy the company. I agree, but without the complications of a combustion engine, it makes it a lot easier. You can buy ev conversion kits for around $15k, so there's also an "I'll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers" option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago so there’s also an “I’ll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers” option. Always the best option! hahahaha permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago there is plenty of demand for smaller trucks Blame a 62 year old law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax I had this badboy in the 90s and it was the most practical vehicle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it Ford is. The Maverick is selling like hotcakes (not the 60s coupe). And they have an electric small truck coming soon as well. There's also Tello. permalink fedilink source parent [–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 3 months ago (10 children) There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it That's incorrect. The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz exist and are very popular. Toyota is about to release one to compete with the Maverick, and Dodge has a small and a mid sized truck in the works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) Those are midsized. I would say Hyundai is the only one with the Santa Cruz, and that's not really a truck. Edit: I stand corrected, I had assumed the maverick was rwd/awd, not fwd/awd. I'm going to amend my statement and say the maverick is also not really a truck. I consider having the drive wheels under the payload to be an important aspect of a truck. Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago The Santa Cruz is exactly as much as a truck as the Ford Maverick is (which is to say, they're both unibody vehicles). permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz Neither are small. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) That’s incorrect. The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz exist and are very popular. And they are still inefficient monsters compared to what a real small truck should be: Ford Maverick (2022+): Length: Approx. 199.7 inches (5.07 meters) almost 1.7 meters larger, 6 feet or so Width: Approx. 72.6 inches (1.84 meters) Height: Approx. 68.7 inches (1.75 meters) Bed Length: 4.5 feet (approx. 54 inches / 1.37 meters) 45% LESS cargo space than a kei truck Typical Kei Truck (e.g., Suzuki Carry): Length: Max legal limit is 3.4 meters (133.9 inches / 11.15 feet). Width: Max legal limit is 1.48 meters (58.3 inches). Often around 1.4 meters. Height: Varies, but typically around 1.9–2.0 meters (75–79 inches) including the cab/bed height, though the cargo bed side walls are very low (often ~1 meter total height from ground). Bed Length: Typically around 2.0 meters (78 inches / 6.5 feet), which is actually longer than the Maverick's bed in some configurations relative to the vehicle length, though the total footprint is much smaller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) You gotta add a normal US truck to your stats. The Santa Cruz and Maverick are 2-3.5ft shorter than a Ram 1500. I have a Santa Cruz, and it looks like a toy truck next to the normal ones. Especially next to duallies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago oh yes most others are way bigger… but I was comparing the "small" trucks that are actually available in the USA to make the point they are not in the same level the real small trucks are permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Kei trucks are power limited and speed limited for urban use only. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago yes. they are small so they can work best in urban areas… nobody wants a kei truqk to work a farmein texas permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (24 children) Slate raised at least $111 million in Series A financing, including an undisclosed amount from Bezos. Slate then raised $600 million in 2024 from Mark Walter, the controlling owner of the Los Angeles Dodgers and CEO of Guggenheim Partners, Jeff Bezos, and General Catalyst, a venture capital firm.[5] In mid-2026, the company said it had completed a $650m series C investment round, which took its total capital raised to $1.4bn.[6] source Bezos was seed money AND part of the owner conglomerate that raised all the capital the company started with in 2024. That is enough for me to avoid this like the plague as it will, certain as the sun is hot, be enshitified to the core If you do not believe me, here is an article explaining how this is all a big Amazon initiative https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/08/inside-the-ev-startup-secretly-backed-by-jeff-bezos/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (23 children) I would truly not be surprised that this would be an attempt to take over there ev truck market, but manufacturers should have been paying attention. There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it While I'm sure they'll try to enshittify, the downside to that plan is that they need to make sure no one takes their place and they need to have something people want that they can enshittify. The benefit of simplicity is that it makes it simpler for another manufacturer to pick up the slack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (6 children) I drove a small truck at one point. Think a late 90s Tacoma, Ranger, or something like that. I don't want an F250. I don't want a Ram 3500. I just want to be able to haul a bed full of bikes to the MTB trail and help my friends move a washing machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tychosmoose@piefed.social [S] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child) Slate has a size comparison widget on their website. You can show it with the silhouette of a current full size pickup and a circa 1985 small pickup. It's almost exactly the same size as that generation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago That's cool. 99spokes does that for bicycles and I've found it useful in that respect. Would be cool to compare all of the cars I ever had like that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I really love my hybrid Maverick. It is still bigger than I want, but it works really well and averages about 40mpg. I can also fit it in a normal parking spot, which is nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago I wish the Maverick was body on frame and had better tow capacity. It’s almost what I want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Exactly mini-truck FTW! They used to be everywhere. Now you can't find one. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 3 points 3 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (3 children) There’s a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it Absolutely correct. The American car makers keep on saying "we only want big trucks" but that is complete BS, there is plenty of demand for smaller trucks which is why they have lobbied the gov to all but ban any possible import The benefit of simplicity is that it makes it simpler for another manufacturer to pick up the slack. While this is true in theory, in practice it rarely shows up. If these trucks do deliver a good, simple experience at $25K, others would not be able to just copy it and catch up. It would be easier for any of the big guys to just buy the company. If the company is not for sale, then they would have the monopoly on small trucks and thus, freedom to enshitify permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) While this is true in theory, in practice it rarely shows up. If these trucks do deliver a good, simple experience at $25K, others would not be able to just copy it and catch up. It would be easier for any of the big guys to just buy the company. I agree, but without the complications of a combustion engine, it makes it a lot easier. You can buy ev conversion kits for around $15k, so there's also an "I'll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers" option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago so there’s also an “I’ll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers” option. Always the best option! hahahaha permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago there is plenty of demand for smaller trucks Blame a 62 year old law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax I had this badboy in the 90s and it was the most practical vehicle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it Ford is. The Maverick is selling like hotcakes (not the 60s coupe). And they have an electric small truck coming soon as well. There's also Tello. permalink fedilink source parent [–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 3 months ago (10 children) There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it That's incorrect. The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz exist and are very popular. Toyota is about to release one to compete with the Maverick, and Dodge has a small and a mid sized truck in the works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) Those are midsized. I would say Hyundai is the only one with the Santa Cruz, and that's not really a truck. Edit: I stand corrected, I had assumed the maverick was rwd/awd, not fwd/awd. I'm going to amend my statement and say the maverick is also not really a truck. I consider having the drive wheels under the payload to be an important aspect of a truck. Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago The Santa Cruz is exactly as much as a truck as the Ford Maverick is (which is to say, they're both unibody vehicles). permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz Neither are small. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) That’s incorrect. The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz exist and are very popular. And they are still inefficient monsters compared to what a real small truck should be: Ford Maverick (2022+): Length: Approx. 199.7 inches (5.07 meters) almost 1.7 meters larger, 6 feet or so Width: Approx. 72.6 inches (1.84 meters) Height: Approx. 68.7 inches (1.75 meters) Bed Length: 4.5 feet (approx. 54 inches / 1.37 meters) 45% LESS cargo space than a kei truck Typical Kei Truck (e.g., Suzuki Carry): Length: Max legal limit is 3.4 meters (133.9 inches / 11.15 feet). Width: Max legal limit is 1.48 meters (58.3 inches). Often around 1.4 meters. Height: Varies, but typically around 1.9–2.0 meters (75–79 inches) including the cab/bed height, though the cargo bed side walls are very low (often ~1 meter total height from ground). Bed Length: Typically around 2.0 meters (78 inches / 6.5 feet), which is actually longer than the Maverick's bed in some configurations relative to the vehicle length, though the total footprint is much smaller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) You gotta add a normal US truck to your stats. The Santa Cruz and Maverick are 2-3.5ft shorter than a Ram 1500. I have a Santa Cruz, and it looks like a toy truck next to the normal ones. Especially next to duallies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago oh yes most others are way bigger… but I was comparing the "small" trucks that are actually available in the USA to make the point they are not in the same level the real small trucks are permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Kei trucks are power limited and speed limited for urban use only. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago yes. they are small so they can work best in urban areas… nobody wants a kei truqk to work a farmein texas permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (23 children) I would truly not be surprised that this would be an attempt to take over there ev truck market, but manufacturers should have been paying attention. There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it While I'm sure they'll try to enshittify, the downside to that plan is that they need to make sure no one takes their place and they need to have something people want that they can enshittify. The benefit of simplicity is that it makes it simpler for another manufacturer to pick up the slack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (6 children) I drove a small truck at one point. Think a late 90s Tacoma, Ranger, or something like that. I don't want an F250. I don't want a Ram 3500. I just want to be able to haul a bed full of bikes to the MTB trail and help my friends move a washing machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tychosmoose@piefed.social [S] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child) Slate has a size comparison widget on their website. You can show it with the silhouette of a current full size pickup and a circa 1985 small pickup. It's almost exactly the same size as that generation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago That's cool. 99spokes does that for bicycles and I've found it useful in that respect. Would be cool to compare all of the cars I ever had like that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I really love my hybrid Maverick. It is still bigger than I want, but it works really well and averages about 40mpg. I can also fit it in a normal parking spot, which is nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago I wish the Maverick was body on frame and had better tow capacity. It’s almost what I want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Exactly mini-truck FTW! They used to be everywhere. Now you can't find one. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 3 points 3 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (3 children) There’s a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it Absolutely correct. The American car makers keep on saying "we only want big trucks" but that is complete BS, there is plenty of demand for smaller trucks which is why they have lobbied the gov to all but ban any possible import The benefit of simplicity is that it makes it simpler for another manufacturer to pick up the slack. While this is true in theory, in practice it rarely shows up. If these trucks do deliver a good, simple experience at $25K, others would not be able to just copy it and catch up. It would be easier for any of the big guys to just buy the company. If the company is not for sale, then they would have the monopoly on small trucks and thus, freedom to enshitify permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) While this is true in theory, in practice it rarely shows up. If these trucks do deliver a good, simple experience at $25K, others would not be able to just copy it and catch up. It would be easier for any of the big guys to just buy the company. I agree, but without the complications of a combustion engine, it makes it a lot easier. You can buy ev conversion kits for around $15k, so there's also an "I'll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers" option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago so there’s also an “I’ll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers” option. Always the best option! hahahaha permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago there is plenty of demand for smaller trucks Blame a 62 year old law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax I had this badboy in the 90s and it was the most practical vehicle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it Ford is. The Maverick is selling like hotcakes (not the 60s coupe). And they have an electric small truck coming soon as well. There's also Tello. permalink fedilink source parent [–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 3 months ago (10 children) There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it That's incorrect. The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz exist and are very popular. Toyota is about to release one to compete with the Maverick, and Dodge has a small and a mid sized truck in the works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) Those are midsized. I would say Hyundai is the only one with the Santa Cruz, and that's not really a truck. Edit: I stand corrected, I had assumed the maverick was rwd/awd, not fwd/awd. I'm going to amend my statement and say the maverick is also not really a truck. I consider having the drive wheels under the payload to be an important aspect of a truck. Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago The Santa Cruz is exactly as much as a truck as the Ford Maverick is (which is to say, they're both unibody vehicles). permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz Neither are small. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) That’s incorrect. The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz exist and are very popular. And they are still inefficient monsters compared to what a real small truck should be: Ford Maverick (2022+): Length: Approx. 199.7 inches (5.07 meters) almost 1.7 meters larger, 6 feet or so Width: Approx. 72.6 inches (1.84 meters) Height: Approx. 68.7 inches (1.75 meters) Bed Length: 4.5 feet (approx. 54 inches / 1.37 meters) 45% LESS cargo space than a kei truck Typical Kei Truck (e.g., Suzuki Carry): Length: Max legal limit is 3.4 meters (133.9 inches / 11.15 feet). Width: Max legal limit is 1.48 meters (58.3 inches). Often around 1.4 meters. Height: Varies, but typically around 1.9–2.0 meters (75–79 inches) including the cab/bed height, though the cargo bed side walls are very low (often ~1 meter total height from ground). Bed Length: Typically around 2.0 meters (78 inches / 6.5 feet), which is actually longer than the Maverick's bed in some configurations relative to the vehicle length, though the total footprint is much smaller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) You gotta add a normal US truck to your stats. The Santa Cruz and Maverick are 2-3.5ft shorter than a Ram 1500. I have a Santa Cruz, and it looks like a toy truck next to the normal ones. Especially next to duallies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago oh yes most others are way bigger… but I was comparing the "small" trucks that are actually available in the USA to make the point they are not in the same level the real small trucks are permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Kei trucks are power limited and speed limited for urban use only. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago yes. they are small so they can work best in urban areas… nobody wants a kei truqk to work a farmein texas permalink fedilink source parent
[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (6 children) I drove a small truck at one point. Think a late 90s Tacoma, Ranger, or something like that. I don't want an F250. I don't want a Ram 3500. I just want to be able to haul a bed full of bikes to the MTB trail and help my friends move a washing machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tychosmoose@piefed.social [S] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child) Slate has a size comparison widget on their website. You can show it with the silhouette of a current full size pickup and a circa 1985 small pickup. It's almost exactly the same size as that generation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago That's cool. 99spokes does that for bicycles and I've found it useful in that respect. Would be cool to compare all of the cars I ever had like that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I really love my hybrid Maverick. It is still bigger than I want, but it works really well and averages about 40mpg. I can also fit it in a normal parking spot, which is nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago I wish the Maverick was body on frame and had better tow capacity. It’s almost what I want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Exactly mini-truck FTW! They used to be everywhere. Now you can't find one. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 3 points 3 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tychosmoose@piefed.social [S] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child) Slate has a size comparison widget on their website. You can show it with the silhouette of a current full size pickup and a circa 1985 small pickup. It's almost exactly the same size as that generation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago That's cool. 99spokes does that for bicycles and I've found it useful in that respect. Would be cool to compare all of the cars I ever had like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago That's cool. 99spokes does that for bicycles and I've found it useful in that respect. Would be cool to compare all of the cars I ever had like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I really love my hybrid Maverick. It is still bigger than I want, but it works really well and averages about 40mpg. I can also fit it in a normal parking spot, which is nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago I wish the Maverick was body on frame and had better tow capacity. It’s almost what I want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago I wish the Maverick was body on frame and had better tow capacity. It’s almost what I want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Exactly mini-truck FTW! They used to be everywhere. Now you can't find one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (3 children) There’s a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it Absolutely correct. The American car makers keep on saying "we only want big trucks" but that is complete BS, there is plenty of demand for smaller trucks which is why they have lobbied the gov to all but ban any possible import The benefit of simplicity is that it makes it simpler for another manufacturer to pick up the slack. While this is true in theory, in practice it rarely shows up. If these trucks do deliver a good, simple experience at $25K, others would not be able to just copy it and catch up. It would be easier for any of the big guys to just buy the company. If the company is not for sale, then they would have the monopoly on small trucks and thus, freedom to enshitify permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) While this is true in theory, in practice it rarely shows up. If these trucks do deliver a good, simple experience at $25K, others would not be able to just copy it and catch up. It would be easier for any of the big guys to just buy the company. I agree, but without the complications of a combustion engine, it makes it a lot easier. You can buy ev conversion kits for around $15k, so there's also an "I'll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers" option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago so there’s also an “I’ll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers” option. Always the best option! hahahaha permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago there is plenty of demand for smaller trucks Blame a 62 year old law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax I had this badboy in the 90s and it was the most practical vehicle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) While this is true in theory, in practice it rarely shows up. If these trucks do deliver a good, simple experience at $25K, others would not be able to just copy it and catch up. It would be easier for any of the big guys to just buy the company. I agree, but without the complications of a combustion engine, it makes it a lot easier. You can buy ev conversion kits for around $15k, so there's also an "I'll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers" option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago so there’s also an “I’ll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers” option. Always the best option! hahahaha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago so there’s also an “I’ll make my own, with blackjack, and hookers” option. Always the best option! hahahaha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago there is plenty of demand for smaller trucks Blame a 62 year old law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax I had this badboy in the 90s and it was the most practical vehicle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it Ford is. The Maverick is selling like hotcakes (not the 60s coupe). And they have an electric small truck coming soon as well. There's also Tello. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 3 months ago (10 children) There's a huge market for small ass trucks, no one is catering to it That's incorrect. The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz exist and are very popular. Toyota is about to release one to compete with the Maverick, and Dodge has a small and a mid sized truck in the works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) Those are midsized. I would say Hyundai is the only one with the Santa Cruz, and that's not really a truck. Edit: I stand corrected, I had assumed the maverick was rwd/awd, not fwd/awd. I'm going to amend my statement and say the maverick is also not really a truck. I consider having the drive wheels under the payload to be an important aspect of a truck. Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago The Santa Cruz is exactly as much as a truck as the Ford Maverick is (which is to say, they're both unibody vehicles). permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz Neither are small. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) That’s incorrect. The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz exist and are very popular. And they are still inefficient monsters compared to what a real small truck should be: Ford Maverick (2022+): Length: Approx. 199.7 inches (5.07 meters) almost 1.7 meters larger, 6 feet or so Width: Approx. 72.6 inches (1.84 meters) Height: Approx. 68.7 inches (1.75 meters) Bed Length: 4.5 feet (approx. 54 inches / 1.37 meters) 45% LESS cargo space than a kei truck Typical Kei Truck (e.g., Suzuki Carry): Length: Max legal limit is 3.4 meters (133.9 inches / 11.15 feet). Width: Max legal limit is 1.48 meters (58.3 inches). Often around 1.4 meters. Height: Varies, but typically around 1.9–2.0 meters (75–79 inches) including the cab/bed height, though the cargo bed side walls are very low (often ~1 meter total height from ground). Bed Length: Typically around 2.0 meters (78 inches / 6.5 feet), which is actually longer than the Maverick's bed in some configurations relative to the vehicle length, though the total footprint is much smaller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) You gotta add a normal US truck to your stats. The Santa Cruz and Maverick are 2-3.5ft shorter than a Ram 1500. I have a Santa Cruz, and it looks like a toy truck next to the normal ones. Especially next to duallies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago oh yes most others are way bigger… but I was comparing the "small" trucks that are actually available in the USA to make the point they are not in the same level the real small trucks are permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Kei trucks are power limited and speed limited for urban use only. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago yes. they are small so they can work best in urban areas… nobody wants a kei truqk to work a farmein texas permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) Those are midsized. I would say Hyundai is the only one with the Santa Cruz, and that's not really a truck. Edit: I stand corrected, I had assumed the maverick was rwd/awd, not fwd/awd. I'm going to amend my statement and say the maverick is also not really a truck. I consider having the drive wheels under the payload to be an important aspect of a truck. Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago The Santa Cruz is exactly as much as a truck as the Ford Maverick is (which is to say, they're both unibody vehicles). permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago The Santa Cruz is exactly as much as a truck as the Ford Maverick is (which is to say, they're both unibody vehicles). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz Neither are small. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) That’s incorrect. The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz exist and are very popular. And they are still inefficient monsters compared to what a real small truck should be: Ford Maverick (2022+): Length: Approx. 199.7 inches (5.07 meters) almost 1.7 meters larger, 6 feet or so Width: Approx. 72.6 inches (1.84 meters) Height: Approx. 68.7 inches (1.75 meters) Bed Length: 4.5 feet (approx. 54 inches / 1.37 meters) 45% LESS cargo space than a kei truck Typical Kei Truck (e.g., Suzuki Carry): Length: Max legal limit is 3.4 meters (133.9 inches / 11.15 feet). Width: Max legal limit is 1.48 meters (58.3 inches). Often around 1.4 meters. Height: Varies, but typically around 1.9–2.0 meters (75–79 inches) including the cab/bed height, though the cargo bed side walls are very low (often ~1 meter total height from ground). Bed Length: Typically around 2.0 meters (78 inches / 6.5 feet), which is actually longer than the Maverick's bed in some configurations relative to the vehicle length, though the total footprint is much smaller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) You gotta add a normal US truck to your stats. The Santa Cruz and Maverick are 2-3.5ft shorter than a Ram 1500. I have a Santa Cruz, and it looks like a toy truck next to the normal ones. Especially next to duallies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago oh yes most others are way bigger… but I was comparing the "small" trucks that are actually available in the USA to make the point they are not in the same level the real small trucks are permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Kei trucks are power limited and speed limited for urban use only. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago yes. they are small so they can work best in urban areas… nobody wants a kei truqk to work a farmein texas permalink fedilink source parent
[–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) You gotta add a normal US truck to your stats. The Santa Cruz and Maverick are 2-3.5ft shorter than a Ram 1500. I have a Santa Cruz, and it looks like a toy truck next to the normal ones. Especially next to duallies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago oh yes most others are way bigger… but I was comparing the "small" trucks that are actually available in the USA to make the point they are not in the same level the real small trucks are permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago oh yes most others are way bigger… but I was comparing the "small" trucks that are actually available in the USA to make the point they are not in the same level the real small trucks are permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Kei trucks are power limited and speed limited for urban use only. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago yes. they are small so they can work best in urban areas… nobody wants a kei truqk to work a farmein texas permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago yes. they are small so they can work best in urban areas… nobody wants a kei truqk to work a farmein texas permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 months ago (2 children) Same as a European, I do hope it succeeds though and as much as I hate bezos if he's backing shit like this my opinion of him has increased by about 3.83%. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Miaou@jlai.lu 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Hmm? We have much better options available in Europe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Hmm? We have much better options available in Europe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Canajan@piefed.ca 12 points 3 months ago (4 children) For the life of me I don’t know why we don’t develop something like this in Canada. It’s so frustrating, we have the people, the manufacturing space, the materials, we could do this. Whenever something about Canada making vehicles gets brought up, all the nay sayers climb on immediately saying how it can’t be done. I’m sick and tired of them. Nothing worth doing comes easy, if left to these naysayers we’d all be still living in squalor. We need to move away from the U.S. entanglement, the American public can’t be trusted to elect a proper government. Building our own low cost, modest feature vehicles would be an excellent start. How many features of a car do people use for a normal commute to work, or such? I’d love a truck like the Slate, except it has to have 4 wheel drive ability. After having Hondas with all wheel drive, I’ll never go back to an older 2 wheel drive vehicle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Ive had TWO vehicles that were manufactured in Canada. They were both fine. What weirdos are saying canada cant build cars? permalink fedilink source parent [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Before the current political chaos, you would have made a mint. A little ingenuity and affordable value, along with the worlds second biggest car market next door would have been huge permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago 100000000% agree permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Ive had TWO vehicles that were manufactured in Canada. They were both fine. What weirdos are saying canada cant build cars? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Before the current political chaos, you would have made a mint. A little ingenuity and affordable value, along with the worlds second biggest car market next door would have been huge permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago (4 children) New Chinese EVs will be hitting the streets soon. Much cheaper and higher quality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (9 children) I heard that Bezos left the company as an investor. I don't blame you for disliking anything American, but Slate Auto seems alright so far... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (8 children) He was never "in it"; but he put up the seed money, then participated in the main round of fund raising and placed a ton of his people in the company. So even if his is not personally involved, he has all the strings he needs to pull it where he wants it to go (which, IMO, means Slate will be enshitified to the full the moment those little trucks start selling) https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/08/inside-the-ev-startup-secretly-backed-by-jeff-bezos/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago (5 children) What I wonder is how exactly are they going to enshittify it? It's extremely barebones and modular in a way that anyone can design add-ons and accessories for it. I can see them doing subscriptions and the like for various add-ons but you can always just get the base model and get add-ons elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (4 children) They can betray the customer in many different ways... I am not willing to pay $25K to find out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think my desire for a small electric pickup truck might override my caution in this case, we'll see if I get burned. At the very least I'm not going to preorder and will wait for real critical reviews after it's released. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago that's honestly a good approach… I'd do the same permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Generally yes, but with a modular and simple-by-design vehicle... how though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* They could simply stop producing certain parts, sneak a specific custom piece somewhere, provide no diagrams or documentation for third parties to produce repairs. They could simply design parts that fail just after warranty. There is an app that goes with it, right there they have the chance to scan and sell your data, push ads to you, track your driving, etc. I don't know exactly but there are more ways they can enshitify a product than my imagination allows. You see, greedy people do not enshitify for sport, they do it for greed as enshitification means more money for them. So unless you are convinced Bezos put money here to help people and not make as much money as possible back, the only logical conclusion is that he wants to milk it as hard as possible, this is what he does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago If they enshittify in the future, then you can just not buy one of the enshittified trucks. The old ones will still be out there, rolling around fine, without any internet connection that the company could use to remotely sabotage them. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (8 children) He was never "in it"; but he put up the seed money, then participated in the main round of fund raising and placed a ton of his people in the company. So even if his is not personally involved, he has all the strings he needs to pull it where he wants it to go (which, IMO, means Slate will be enshitified to the full the moment those little trucks start selling) https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/08/inside-the-ev-startup-secretly-backed-by-jeff-bezos/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago (5 children) What I wonder is how exactly are they going to enshittify it? It's extremely barebones and modular in a way that anyone can design add-ons and accessories for it. I can see them doing subscriptions and the like for various add-ons but you can always just get the base model and get add-ons elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (4 children) They can betray the customer in many different ways... I am not willing to pay $25K to find out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think my desire for a small electric pickup truck might override my caution in this case, we'll see if I get burned. At the very least I'm not going to preorder and will wait for real critical reviews after it's released. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago that's honestly a good approach… I'd do the same permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Generally yes, but with a modular and simple-by-design vehicle... how though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* They could simply stop producing certain parts, sneak a specific custom piece somewhere, provide no diagrams or documentation for third parties to produce repairs. They could simply design parts that fail just after warranty. There is an app that goes with it, right there they have the chance to scan and sell your data, push ads to you, track your driving, etc. I don't know exactly but there are more ways they can enshitify a product than my imagination allows. You see, greedy people do not enshitify for sport, they do it for greed as enshitification means more money for them. So unless you are convinced Bezos put money here to help people and not make as much money as possible back, the only logical conclusion is that he wants to milk it as hard as possible, this is what he does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago If they enshittify in the future, then you can just not buy one of the enshittified trucks. The old ones will still be out there, rolling around fine, without any internet connection that the company could use to remotely sabotage them. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago (5 children) What I wonder is how exactly are they going to enshittify it? It's extremely barebones and modular in a way that anyone can design add-ons and accessories for it. I can see them doing subscriptions and the like for various add-ons but you can always just get the base model and get add-ons elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (4 children) They can betray the customer in many different ways... I am not willing to pay $25K to find out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think my desire for a small electric pickup truck might override my caution in this case, we'll see if I get burned. At the very least I'm not going to preorder and will wait for real critical reviews after it's released. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago that's honestly a good approach… I'd do the same permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Generally yes, but with a modular and simple-by-design vehicle... how though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* They could simply stop producing certain parts, sneak a specific custom piece somewhere, provide no diagrams or documentation for third parties to produce repairs. They could simply design parts that fail just after warranty. There is an app that goes with it, right there they have the chance to scan and sell your data, push ads to you, track your driving, etc. I don't know exactly but there are more ways they can enshitify a product than my imagination allows. You see, greedy people do not enshitify for sport, they do it for greed as enshitification means more money for them. So unless you are convinced Bezos put money here to help people and not make as much money as possible back, the only logical conclusion is that he wants to milk it as hard as possible, this is what he does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (4 children) They can betray the customer in many different ways... I am not willing to pay $25K to find out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think my desire for a small electric pickup truck might override my caution in this case, we'll see if I get burned. At the very least I'm not going to preorder and will wait for real critical reviews after it's released. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago that's honestly a good approach… I'd do the same permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Generally yes, but with a modular and simple-by-design vehicle... how though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* They could simply stop producing certain parts, sneak a specific custom piece somewhere, provide no diagrams or documentation for third parties to produce repairs. They could simply design parts that fail just after warranty. There is an app that goes with it, right there they have the chance to scan and sell your data, push ads to you, track your driving, etc. I don't know exactly but there are more ways they can enshitify a product than my imagination allows. You see, greedy people do not enshitify for sport, they do it for greed as enshitification means more money for them. So unless you are convinced Bezos put money here to help people and not make as much money as possible back, the only logical conclusion is that he wants to milk it as hard as possible, this is what he does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think my desire for a small electric pickup truck might override my caution in this case, we'll see if I get burned. At the very least I'm not going to preorder and will wait for real critical reviews after it's released. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago that's honestly a good approach… I'd do the same permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago that's honestly a good approach… I'd do the same permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Generally yes, but with a modular and simple-by-design vehicle... how though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* They could simply stop producing certain parts, sneak a specific custom piece somewhere, provide no diagrams or documentation for third parties to produce repairs. They could simply design parts that fail just after warranty. There is an app that goes with it, right there they have the chance to scan and sell your data, push ads to you, track your driving, etc. I don't know exactly but there are more ways they can enshitify a product than my imagination allows. You see, greedy people do not enshitify for sport, they do it for greed as enshitification means more money for them. So unless you are convinced Bezos put money here to help people and not make as much money as possible back, the only logical conclusion is that he wants to milk it as hard as possible, this is what he does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* They could simply stop producing certain parts, sneak a specific custom piece somewhere, provide no diagrams or documentation for third parties to produce repairs. They could simply design parts that fail just after warranty. There is an app that goes with it, right there they have the chance to scan and sell your data, push ads to you, track your driving, etc. I don't know exactly but there are more ways they can enshitify a product than my imagination allows. You see, greedy people do not enshitify for sport, they do it for greed as enshitification means more money for them. So unless you are convinced Bezos put money here to help people and not make as much money as possible back, the only logical conclusion is that he wants to milk it as hard as possible, this is what he does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago If they enshittify in the future, then you can just not buy one of the enshittified trucks. The old ones will still be out there, rolling around fine, without any internet connection that the company could use to remotely sabotage them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) It's never going to be released. Zero prototypes and being pushed by a billionaire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago* They've been promoting it recently and have several working prototypes that they've been driving influencers around in. There was one video with Marques Brownlee and they even let him drive it himself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] treesapx@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago At this point I think there's a high likelihood that production will start close to their plan of late this year. As the other commenter said, you can go watch multiple videos of test drives. Pre-orders opened yesterday. But what do I know? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago* They've been promoting it recently and have several working prototypes that they've been driving influencers around in. There was one video with Marques Brownlee and they even let him drive it himself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] treesapx@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago At this point I think there's a high likelihood that production will start close to their plan of late this year. As the other commenter said, you can go watch multiple videos of test drives. Pre-orders opened yesterday. But what do I know? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) Sounds like it's your chance to pull an Edison (like the Canadian Edison semi trucks). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) Ew Edison... But yes, some other poster also was surprised something like this could not be started up in Canada I know our government here is also crappy and has tried to squash related initiatives before but I should look into it more permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) Ew Edison... But yes, some other poster also was surprised something like this could not be started up in Canada I know our government here is also crappy and has tried to squash related initiatives before but I should look into it more permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)