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[-] PugJesus@piefed.social 4 points 5 hours ago

Suddenly when the south started trying to industrialize it became the biggest reason.

Fucking what.

[-] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I'm saying the north made slavery their battle call only after other factors motivated them. The proof they didn't give two shits about black folk were the jim crow laws they allowed the southern states to adopt during reconstruction.

Edit: ignorance of the truth will not change the reality of it. Sure there were many in the north who were against slavery. As there were some in the south at the time who were against it. When the south started trying to purchase manufacturing equipment from Britain the north imposed restrictions on its import in the form of... You guessed it tariffs. This caused much back and forth and when the north needed a reason they had a just one in the form of slavery. Somehow people seem to miss this with our dumbed down education system. They make slavery the only reason and forget how politics works. Looking at our current shit show why do you think anything has changed in all that time?

Eduacate yourself and quit repeating nonsense

https://www.essentialcivilwarcurriculum.com/tariffs-and-the-american-civil-war.html https://ourhistorynow.com/tariffs-taxes-and-the-twilight-of-a-union-how-economic-tensions-shadowed-the-road-to-the-civil-war/ https://www.nps.gov/articles/industry-and-economy-during-the-civil-war.htm

I could go on but if you can't be bothered to learn the truth of then how could you ever hope to understand the situation today.

[-] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 5 hours ago

I’m saying the north made slavery their battle call only after other factors motivated them.

There were three compromises proposed before-and-in-the-early Civil War by which slavery would be forever enshrined in the US Constitution, in exchange for the South refusing secession. All three were rejected by the North.

Don't confuse the offer of isolation and a 'slow death' of slavery, as was a common abolitionist position of the time, with being neutral on slavery. The war was always about the fate of slavery; the position of the North only changed from "We will isolate slavery to ensure it dies" to "We will ban slavery to ensure it dies." Prominent voices in the North repeatedly expressed this view, and prominent voices in the South expressed understanding and horror of that view - with the South recognizing that slavery could not survive isolated in the US South, and had to expand to survive.

The proof they didn’t give two shits about black folk were the jim crow laws they allowed the southern states to adopt during reconstruction.

After the end of Reconstruction, when the Northern-supported Republicans lost control of the Southern states due to the Federal government pulling out, with the Feds pulling out due to a corrupt bargain that resulted from a disputed presidential election.

Also, SCOTUS struck down Federal anti-segregation laws during Reconstruction.

[-] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The north rejecting the souths comprimises is in no way proof that it was only about slavery. Its proof the north wanted to keep control, nothing more. There were no comprimies. None. Not on the souths attempts at industrialazation and none on the self serviing tarrifs. The fact the battle cry was slavery was a easy sell to the northern whites. Kinda like round of all the browns and throw them out is today. The very fact that you think the corruption of post war america was somehow separate from the repulicans of the time is silly.
Finally how is SCOTUS striking down anti segragation laws in any way conflict with jim crow? The north had what they wanted and were apathetic to the fate of the former slaves.

[-] PugJesus@piefed.social 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The north rejecting the souths comprimises is in no way proof that it was only about slavery. Its proof the north wanted to keep control, nothing more.

"Keep control"

... this the same USA which was dominated by Southern politics all the way up to 1860.

Not on the souths attempts at industrialazation

What attempts at industrialization.

and none on the self serviing tarrifs.

Fucking what.

The fact the battle cry was slavery was a easy sell to the northern whites.

"Northern white folk were invested in the Civil War because of the call to anti-slavery action, but the North also didn't care about slavery"

Are you being fucking serious right now.

The very fact that you think the corruption of post war america was somehow separate from the repulicans of the time is silly.

Jesus fucking Christ, I'd give you a lesson on the context of 1876 election if everything you've said up to this point wasn't reflective of a frightening level of motivated ignorance.

Finally how is SCOTUS striking down anti segragation laws in any way conflict with jim crow? The north had what they wanted and were apathetic to the fate of the former slaves.

"The North didn't give two shits about Jim Crow!"

"The North literally passed Federal laws against segregation. They were struck down by the Supreme Court."

"How do anti-segregation laws in any way conflict with Jim Crow????"

Are you fucking stupid.

[-] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

I'm just gonna answer the last one. No I'm not fucking stupid and I've read more civil war history than you have. You are pretty typical for someone who says they read about history. You pick and choose to match your opinion. Nothing more. You claim to know the history but claim don't know about how tariffs of the time were geared toward northern interest. You claim you don't know about the souths attempts to industrialize. You don't know much or you do and choose to ignore it. I'm done. Cause I don't have to ask if you are fucking stupid.

[-] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 4 hours ago

I’ve read more civil war history than you have. You are pretty typical for someone who says they read about history. You pick and choose to match your opinion.

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