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Where we meme (joking in tone and detail, serious in sentiment) about General Sherman, the Civil War, and how the secesh traitors had it coming.
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No bigotry. The Union, or at least the part of the Union WE support, fought AGAINST that shite. We are anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic, and in general anti-bigot here, even if not all the lads in Union blue uniforms were.
No Confederate sympathizing. Anti-democratic racist slaver traitors don't deserve shit.
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OTHER COMMS IN THE HISTORYVERSE:
There were three compromises proposed before-and-in-the-early Civil War by which slavery would be forever enshrined in the US Constitution, in exchange for the South refusing secession. All three were rejected by the North.
Don't confuse the offer of isolation and a 'slow death' of slavery, as was a common abolitionist position of the time, with being neutral on slavery. The war was always about the fate of slavery; the position of the North only changed from "We will isolate slavery to ensure it dies" to "We will ban slavery to ensure it dies." Prominent voices in the North repeatedly expressed this view, and prominent voices in the South expressed understanding and horror of that view - with the South recognizing that slavery could not survive isolated in the US South, and had to expand to survive.
After the end of Reconstruction, when the Northern-supported Republicans lost control of the Southern states due to the Federal government pulling out, with the Feds pulling out due to a corrupt bargain that resulted from a disputed presidential election.
Also, SCOTUS struck down Federal anti-segregation laws during Reconstruction.
The north rejecting the souths comprimises is in no way proof that it was only about slavery. Its proof the north wanted to keep control, nothing more. There were no comprimies. None. Not on the souths attempts at industrialazation and none on the self serviing tarrifs. The fact the battle cry was slavery was a easy sell to the northern whites. Kinda like round of all the browns and throw them out is today. The very fact that you think the corruption of post war america was somehow separate from the repulicans of the time is silly.
Finally how is SCOTUS striking down anti segragation laws in any way conflict with jim crow? The north had what they wanted and were apathetic to the fate of the former slaves.
"Keep control"
... this the same USA which was dominated by Southern politics all the way up to 1860.
What attempts at industrialization.
Fucking what.
"Northern white folk were invested in the Civil War because of the call to anti-slavery action, but the North also didn't care about slavery"
Are you being fucking serious right now.
Jesus fucking Christ, I'd give you a lesson on the context of 1876 election if everything you've said up to this point wasn't reflective of a frightening level of motivated ignorance.
"The North didn't give two shits about Jim Crow!"
"The North literally passed Federal laws against segregation. They were struck down by the Supreme Court."
"How do anti-segregation laws in any way conflict with Jim Crow????"
Are you fucking stupid.
I'm just gonna answer the last one. No I'm not fucking stupid and I've read more civil war history than you have. You are pretty typical for someone who says they read about history. You pick and choose to match your opinion. Nothing more. You claim to know the history but claim don't know about how tariffs of the time were geared toward northern interest. You claim you don't know about the souths attempts to industrialize. You don't know much or you do and choose to ignore it. I'm done. Cause I don't have to ask if you are fucking stupid.