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[–] 138 points 3 months ago (41 children)

Don't forget, this war was very likely initiated by Netanyahu. All they managed to do was make Iran stronger, what a bunch of fucking morons.

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  • [–] 83 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    No, that wasn't the only outcome. Iran got richer and the world got to see that the military might of the USA is much less mighty than they want the world to know.

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  • [–] 55 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    Netanyahu is not a moron, making Iran weaker wasn't his goal. Forever war was, to have a foil to play for domestic political purposes.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Yep, but his biggest blunder was to trust Trump to help him out all the way. What makes Netanyahu a moron in my books is that now after a few years Iran will be stronger and led by military. It will hurt Israel in the long term.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    That's going to depend on whether US support for the Zionist project will be as unconditional as it has been so far.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    The electorate on both sides have definitely soured on Israel, organically. I only expect the evangelicals to stay the same. AIPAC is having to reach deep into its war chest to buy elections and increasingly obfuscate its contributions through shell PACs now.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    The whole point of the war was to stop oil sales in chinese yuan. It's as simple as that.

    Gold has been surging and that was because they country was trading gold for yuan to buy oil. Now they can't do that. Oil is traded in USD again.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Because of the war, emerging markets are trading oil in yen. I don't know what your talking about.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Have you not been following the gold price surging?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    Did it stop though? Why can't they use RMB, what changed?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Because we sent the us military to stop RMB oil sales

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    But did they stop? It looks like the US military was defeated

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately no, that's not their sole achievement.

    Israel has occupied territories in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Irak. And will likely annex some areas excusing it with ,,national security interests". In reality the greater aim seem to be ,,greater israel" which covers the whole are promised to them in some obscure book.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    They managed to ramp up military/weapons spending in the US and Europe, and massively boosted the price of oil. The idea that Trump lost is naive in my opinion, this was a big cash grab just like Venezuela was and certain people will have profited massively from it.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Trump didn't lose, but the US did.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago

    The moderate voices in its government were purged or killed, the popular protests against the hard-line Islamists have been crushed and sidelined, there's a (tiny, but unprecedented) wedge driven between the U.S. and Israeli leaders, Israel has lost popular support in much of the West, and its ability to put a chokehold on the world economy via the Strait of Hormuz has been demonstrated without any tangible contest.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Besides the other replies, Iran has achieved a huge PR coup by revealing that the US is a paper tiger. The popularity of the US among western countries has never been lower because Trump’s Blunder pooched the global economy. Former allies are walking away from economic and military cooperation with the US.

    Additionally, the US has to pay Iran 300B in war reparations as part of their surrender. The iranian regime will probably divert those funds to entrench their power.

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  • [+] -18 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Whatever influence Netanyahyu had, it's naive to buy into the "Israel tricked the US" narrative. I'll remind you that Iran and the US have been on hostile terms since 1979. Every president has considered, or launched military options on Iran since then.

    The problem with the "Israel tricked the US" isn't so much that it plays into antisemitic tropes (though it does), it's that it absolves the US from Israel's adventures and crimes. It's not our fault you see, we were bamboozeled by those crafty Hebrews.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    There was an article in WP or NYT in March detailing the meeting where Netanyahu sold the war to Trump.

    Nothing absolves the US from the crimes in this war. I'm pointing out Netanyahu's role, since he has probably made Israel yet again less secure by ultimately handing Iran a stronger hand. But he also supported Hamas back in the day to replace moderate Palestinian voices with extremists. Didn't turn out so well for the ordinary citizens of Israel.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I’ll remind you that Iran and the US have been on hostile terms since 1979. Every president has considered, or launched military options on Iran since then.

    OK, And when did the US congress start voting nearly 100% favorably on every vote friendly to Israel? I bet if you checked you'd see that AIPAC bribers controlling congress want back farther than you'd guess. Before 1979.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Netanyahu launched the war by killing Khamenei, while we were in the middle of negotiations no less. This is 100℅ Israels fault, and we should have pulled out the instant it happened and let Israel fight its own wars for once.

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