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Be gay, do crime; fuck YHWH's rules
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How was it possible to have this "rationalness" prior to consuming from the tree of knowledge? They simply wouldn't know any better and have no concept of consequences. How can you actually reason without knowing shit? Sure, god told them they would die, but how would they even know what death means? The humans had no prior experience with death up to this point! No human/thing had ever died, it was just them. It would be super abstract. Ever explained death to a child without actually showing them something dead?
And how else would you describe a lesser being kept in a curated garden? Pet seems like an extremely apt term.
Also none of this excuses the omnipotent and omniscient being from being a shitty owner. Why even make the tree if they knew humans were gonna fuck with it? Were they incapable of seeing this possible future? If eating that fruit was original sin, that's a complete abdication of responsibility for: 1) creating the damn tree, 2) putting it in the garden where the human critters can get to it, and 3) creating a literal agent to psyop the humans into eating it. What a colossal fuck up for an all-powerful, all-knowing god. And that's being generous. A more balanced take is that god is fucking evil for stacking the deck against humanity and then blaming them for it, knowing full well what was going to happen.
knowledge ≠ rationalness and it wasnt PHYSICAL death, it was spiritual death.
God created satan as an angel of light, but he was corrupted by sin, especially the sin of pride
Lucifer had the audacity to talk back and have a different idea than his father, so he was kicked out... Forever.
Kicking out family for not doing what you personally want, then being angry that a bunch of the rest of the family decides to start ignoring you as they also do their own thing. One of the most narcissistic things you could do.
That's one of the most Christian things I've ever seen. There's no hate like Christian "love".
But it's all fake stories anyway so it doesn't really matter. Even if it did... The Bible doesn't mention Lucifer being cast out at all... The Isaiah 14 passages usually referenced for that actually reference the King of Babylon.
The story of Lucifer Morningstar being cast out of heaven actually comes from the epic poem Paradise Lost, written in 1667 by John Milton.
So if you believe that story then you would have to consider John Milton in 1667 to be equivalent to the various Councils of Nicaea deciding on what would be included in the Bible.
Satan had the audacity to try to stab his father and steal the kingdom of Heaven, got cast down to the abyss
Revelation 12:7-9
I wish I had killed my abusive parents when I was young.
They continue hurting people to this day.
I'm so sorry for you.
I'll pray for you and them
That makes you feel better while accomplishing nothing.
If you are truly sorry, stop spreading your backwards brainrot.
Kids are dying for your bullshit.
can I have an example?
Here is one: https://www.ncronline.org/vatican/vatican-news/story-lgbtq-youths-suicide-led-synod-delegates-cry-radcliffe-reveals
This is a case of great sorrow and grief. Everyone should feel welcome in the Church. "It is not the healthy who need a physician, but those who have maladies" - Jesus Christ of Nazareth
Entirely preventable, but dipshits like you insist they are entitled to tell deadly lies.
Fuck you for choosing death.
This didn't happen because the Church believes in Christ, it happened because they already had certain mental issues and felt unwelcome in the church. This was mishandled severely.
They "felt unwelcome in the church" because bigotry is baked in to the entire religion. You have demonstrated that for us many times in these comments, homophobe. Murderer.
Fuck you for choosing death.
You didn't answer the question. How can you reason without knowledge? How could adam and eve have rational souls before eating from the tree that gave them knowledge and before truly understanding the consequences?
But god knew this was going to happen, right? Is god incapable of creating sinless beings? Is sin more powerful than god? Because it seems like shoddy craftsmanship to create something with a fatal flaw.