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[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (15 children) And Bernie is against that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (14 children) Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be socialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (13 children) It's not buying it, it's seizing it. That's means taking by force, you don't pay for that. Try reading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago (12 children) The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (14 children) Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be socialized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (13 children) It's not buying it, it's seizing it. That's means taking by force, you don't pay for that. Try reading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago (12 children) The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (13 children) It's not buying it, it's seizing it. That's means taking by force, you don't pay for that. Try reading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago (12 children) The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago (12 children) The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (11 children) It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach. Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (10 children) Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (9 children) Give an example of how. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (8 children) How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Who is the main driving force of the revolution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (6 children) The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (5 children) My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there. The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution. Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) What has the PSL accomplished? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent
