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The AI of Power (thelemmy.club)
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[–] [S] 13 points 3 months ago (25 children)

i dont like ai companies and their data centers, what else? lol

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    And Bernie is against that?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (14 children)

    Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be socialized?

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    It's not buying it, it's seizing it. That's means taking by force, you don't pay for that. Try reading.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach.

    Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Give an example of how.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (7 children)

    Who is the main driving force of the revolution?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there.

    The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution.

    Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    What has the PSL accomplished?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Taking back half of their stolen profits seems like a step in the good direction though. Let's seize their assets, starting with the half here, and then close them down.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    He's not talking about seizing anything

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

    He wants to take over 50% of the companies without paying them. If that's not seizing then I don't know what is.

    Edit: If the downvoters want to tell me where I'm wrong, I'd be glad to be corrected.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    Edit: If the downvoters want to tell me where I’m wrong, I’d be glad to be corrected.

    Fifth amendment to the constitution states: "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation" meaning this proposition is straight up unconstitutional unless they amend it to pay. And i assume Bernie do know constitution of his own country so i have no clue how he proposed it like this unless it is to stir a shitstorm about "seizing" and then amend it as "compromise".

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    So you do agree it's seizing, which is all I said. I didn't say anything about it being a realistic proposal.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Agree, but my point was that Bernie do know it's unrealistic and illegal, so he must expect it either be shot down outright in which case it's just a theatre or be negotiated to be legal ("just compensation") in which case it's a bailout for tech giants in the height of bubble.

    I don't know which is correct, but in either case Bernie comes out of it as unprincipled in best case and bootlicker in the worst.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Are we still pretending the constitution matters?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    In this case it might actually matter because it straight up defend billionaires property here. Remember how in "Democracy for the Few" Parenti agrumented that US system do appear to be completely paralysed in case of proposals working for the people, but works like well oiled machine when it comes for the ruling class interest.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    But in that case, the Constitution is irrelevant. It would be impossible even if there wasn't a 5th amendment.

    All that matters is who is in charge of the heights of political power, the law is a fiction they use to legitimize their authority.

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