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[–] 249 points 4 months ago* (17 children)

Now that AI-companies need to get profitable, they suddenly aren't affordable anymore. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 72 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    They aren't going to get anywhere near profitable if the their capital expenditures are added into the mix, amortization or no, they are so far in the hole they probably will have to offload it in some kind of texas two step kind of scheme where they spin off their debts into a subsidiary.

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They'll just get bailed out by tax payers. Business as usual.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    These companies with no discernible services or usefulness to society are simply too big to fail!

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Theres a usefulness. Super code auto complete at its core is cool. Filling 100 rows of excel with data I supplied is dope. Is it worth making everyone sick and poor and frying the planet? Absolutely not. But the surveillance it can provide apparently is to our overlords.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Well, you're assuming that a company needs to be profitable for investors to get their return. Don't be ridiculous. You just IPO and cash out with no plan on how to become profitable and then the company collapses. We've seen this play a million times before. Also AI companies are big enough that NASDAQ just changed their rules for adding new companies to indexes so that AI companies can get forced into your retirement fund 15 days after joining the market, and then the private investors can cash out on your retirement fund buying in and collapse the stock as soon as you're involuntarily invested. This is why spacex (which owns xai and twitter), openai, and anthropic are all coincidentally having their IPOs this year

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Oh yes. Pension funds are the perennial suckers of wall street too.

    They should stick to solid non stock investments, the managers of these funds, ivy league douchebags, get paid regardless.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't that risky if the bond market gets fucked?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    More traditional pension investments are in things like buying timber land that is maturing, or bonds backed by mortgages. Today's bond market idk, treasuries you are losing money to inflation, even corporate bonds are probably just breaking even with real inflation.

    But yes, all the stocks and bonds are risky because Wall Street is an out of control monster with no real check on their fuckery.

    I would add it's hard to feel too sorry for these pension funds when they invest in private equity and the like. They need radically new leadership at these funds.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Eh. I help run a service for coding games in Godot with AI (https://ziva.sh/) and we see users who are paying non-subsidized prices on small models produce some really good stuff. I would agree most services are selling borderline snake oil and evaporating lakes of water to get their thing working, but if you invest in genuinely good tooling, it's affordable and works

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I don't get why agent based small models are not used more. Like.if the user asks.for code, load a code only model. If they want an image, load an image only model. If they want a bedtime story, load that. Etc.

    Not really supporting AI, but it feels like a way these companies could reduce costs etc, instead of these giant all or nothing models.

    Plus they could reduce pre prompting maybe? Because the coding model has no idea how to say, "make a naked celebrity image."

    It can just fail and say "I can't do that dave."

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