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Remember kids (thelemmy.club)
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cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/shit/p/1154568/remember-kids

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[–] 0 points 4 months ago (19 children)

Let's be realistic. None of the FOSS alternatives come even close to Photoshop. Gimp has never been a good piece of software. Not to mention, if you're doing commercial work, you need the original software to reliably work with clients and others.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I'm curious what features Adobe has that FOSS is missing

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    One of the biggest feautures missing for professionals is CMYK color space. There are some workarounds found, but it's not at the same level of Adobe and certainly not built for it.

    I switched to FOSS everything and I still miss a lot of stuff even if I'll never touch Adobe again. Everything is so much harder to use and that was a sacrifice I chose to make for the sake of software freedom

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    In the case of GIMP it's an interface that makes any kind of sense. Have to admit that Inkscape is looking pretty damn good these days - even though it's not really a replacement for Illustrator and is more a good replacement for progs like Freehand and Coreldraw.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    That's how I felt it that its more the interface than functionality. Although I've never checked and compared with PhotoGimp

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    What is PhotoGimp?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    The latest flavor of trying to fix Gimp's UI by modifying it to look like Photoshop. These go back decades and usually end up being abandoned after a few years.

    https://github.com/Diolinux/PhotoGIMP

    The whole premise is flawed. Gimp should be a viable program on its own, by having a UI that actually makes sense and not by copying the market leader, because this will always mean playing catch-up, it will always mean being seen as a lesser copy.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    yawn corpo speak

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Some people do actually use this software to make a living. That's not corpo-speak, it's a reality.

    Anywho, I've never paid for Photoshop. Just updated my pirated copy every half-decade or so.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    As some people make a living using gimp. Your chosen software doesn't have special sauce because its closed source.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Dude, honestly, cut the crap.

    I am exactly in the team that makes an open source entrant competing against a closed source incumbent. We're talking about data acquisition and inspection with certain kinds of scientific instruments.

    I personally like our software much better, also it's much easier to extend since it's written with pyqt and numpy.

    But our customers are busy people, with complicated and efficient workflows built with the competition.

    Every time they get stuck because the UI is unfamiliar or because a feature is missing (all niche use cases, but everyone has a mission-critical corner case so...) they are wasting time they don't have, to work around stuff that would have been easy if the stuck with the competition.

    Just replying to them "Skill Issue" is not going to cut it. If acted 20% as insufferable as you, I'm not sure we would have any customers.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    This is the exact take that has made open source play second fiddle.

    Good luck. Maybe after a revolution you might pull your head out of your ass but I feel like your the "just following orders" type.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Nah, just someone who cares more shut helping than I care about making sure everyone knows how much better I am.

    Good luck with your revolution, it sounds like you'll have a blast putting people into camps!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    The state is not gonna save you. I'm not putting anyone into camps. I'm not licking the boot of capitol. Like you are so obviously are doing. You're so lost I'm starting to think you're a bot if not for the spelling errors.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    No, it has special source, because it 1) was literally the first practical photo editing software for home computers 2) has been in continuous development since 1987 and 3) is clearly designed for artists, not programmers. It's not just how long the development has been, but also how much resources have been poured into it compared to open source and other competitors - and to what end. Gimp may only be just nine years younger, but it's clearly (just look at its insane user interface) typical of an issue that is very widespread among open source projects: It's developed by programmers for programmers, with little regard for non-technical users and actual workflows.

    Not all open source software suffers from this, but a ton does. It's frustrating any time I'm trying to get people to e.g. switch to Linux and other open source software; they often run into a wall of poor usability. This is the main thing that prevents mass adoption of the Linux desktop. The fact of the matter is, most developers of open source software are highly technical people who are developing this software for themselves and other highly technical people. This might be fine for you and I, but it won't win over the better washed masses.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Sometimes it's usability walls, but sometimes a user just so adjusted to the poor usability of the market leaders, and struggles to work with a more sane UI.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Photoshop is perhaps the most complex piece of software you can teach yourself without relying on any external resources. It's the opposite of poor usability and this was even the case decades ago.

    Gimp and the Linux desktop experience are not more sane UIs compared to Photoshop and Windows. Both have issues, but usability is not among them.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    I was talking in principle, more than in the specifics.

    And I am very willing to believe you with respect to Photoshop, as I have never used it (I have occasionally tried, and failed, to use GIMP). My graphical needs have always been better served by vector graphics e.g. Inkscape.

    I have used Windows extensively (and still have to from time to time), and it's usability is at least as bad that of a (sane) Linux distro (OK, not Gentoo). It's just it's usually bad in different ways. Windows is exactly the case where it's about getting used to the badness, rather than about it being superior.

    Accessibility, on the other hand? That's still better on Windows.

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