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[–] pglpm@lemmy.ca [S] 2 points 4 months ago

https://github.com/BryanLunduke/DoesItAgeVerify

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[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (11 children)

These aren't serious. Their mission statements are nothing but childish contrariness.

E.g. Artix has a “no true Scotsman” right in their tagline about “real” init system. Only 14 year old master debaters will attempt to deny that systemd is a “real” init system with a straight face.

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[+] RalfWausE_der_zwote@feddit.org -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

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[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (9 children)

If you criticize something because of perceived bloat, maybe don't make it the mouse in your metaphor.

And no, it's a great init system that has all the features one wants. That's why it ended up taking over: it was the first really good init system that introduced actual dependencies and so on.

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[–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 7 points 4 months ago (5 children)

That is so true. For me, who works as a Systemadministrator, systemd is about the best thing that happened to linux in a long time! It makes my work so much easier

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[–] Brummbaer@pawb.social 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

That's what the problem with systemd is. It started out as a "modern" init system but somehow we ended up with some kind of parasitic software heap that tries to replace the userspace.

I mean the latest addition is some kind of OS installer.

To quote James T. Kirk: "why does an init system need an OS installer."

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[–] unique_hemp@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

All the other software is not the init system, FFS.

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[–] Brummbaer@pawb.social 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, they should do an init system instead of reinventing an operating system.

That's the main problem I have with it.

Of course advocates of systemd will say it's modular, but there is some kind of capture process going on - you have to relay on the systemd solution, because it fits nicely into the systems ecosystem ....

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[–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

I fear you missunderstood me: I think systemd with all the integrated features and tools is great, having all the features and tools is such a huge benefit for a professionell sysadmin who has to connect to and administrate lots of customer server every day.

But that is my opinion, I fully accept that people don't like systemd and that's the great thing with Linux: If you don't like a component then you are free to drop it and use something else. So have fun with your systemd free systems!

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[–] Brummbaer@pawb.social 4 points 4 months ago

I'm totally with you on that. I use systemd daily and it has enormous benefits for system administration, but I don't like the direction it's headed and how the project is lead. That's what I wanted to bring across here.

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[+] RalfWausE_der_zwote@feddit.org 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

Your conspiracy myth is wrong, and if you actually care about what's true, you can confirm what I say very easily for yourself:

Just go to the mailing list archives and forums and follow the decision making discussions of the time. E.g. Arch Linux. This will quickly and decisively convince you that “big tech” had nothing to do with it.

But you don't care about the truth, do you? You just want the comfortable position of being able to look down on all the mainstream fools.

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Oh my God.. I feel for this poor company after you leave. 🤣

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (26 children)

Just don't go to Debian

next day edit: Some of you have never been trolled before, and it shows.

You see, the real_name field has been part of the GECOS field since the 70s. Anyone who has any actual experience with Linux knows this.

There is some bit of drama about adding birth_date to systemd. The person that I'm responding to appears to subscribe to this drama due to the fact that they're recommending distros who either don't use systemd or, even more stupid, 'fork' the project to remove that field.

So, I made a meme from the point of view of one of these people, expressing outrage that Debian is asking for a user's Real Name... when only a newbie doesn't know these things.

And lest you think I'm doing the "I was caught being dumb so I'm claiming to be trolling" here's a comment of mine from over a month ago making this exact same joke, but more explicitly.

Congrats to the 3 people who got the joke.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Are you seriously suggesting that this forces you to enter your actual name?

The field doesn't even distinguish between first/last name. It's just fluff as explained above. It's also not a systemd thing, or even Debian. This has existed for literally decades, and for just as long people put in whatever the fuck they want.

But you got so mad you had to make a meme about it.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

But you got so mad you had to make a meme about it.

Some of you have never been trolled before, and it shows.

You see, the real_name field has been part of the GECOS field since the 70s. Anyone who has any actual experience with Linux knows this.

So, I made a meme from the point of view of one of these people, expressing outrage that Debian is asking for a user's Real Name... when only a newbie doesn't know these things.

And lest you think I'm doing the "I was caught being dumb so I'm claiming to be trolling" here's a comment of mine from over a month ago making this exact same joke, but more explicitly.

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[–] unique_hemp@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 4 months ago (1 child)

And does this date field force you to enter your real DOB?

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[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 0 points 4 months ago

Probably not. This whole post is basically FUD

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[–] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I never write my full name anyway, just my first name.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah, sure you can just make up information and put in the field but the real problem is them asking in the first place.

Next you're going to tell me that you can ignore this optional field in systemd.

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[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 13 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

User1

Player2

Admin

Guest

It's just asking for something to differentiate users. You don't have to enter your actual real name.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago*

(I know)

https://lemmy.world/post/45580224/23217198 - "It's the intent that matters"

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[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (11 children)

I don't get it.

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[–] Ooops@feddit.org 10 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

Debian daring to suggest that using your real name to identify yourself on the system is a reasonable choice for most people. So get the torches and pitchforks...

Also don't tell those people about the fact that such fields for additional information (like real name, address etc) exist in most user-handling parts of their software since forever.

You get asked for your real name when creating a new user for longer than Linux even exists. It's just that noone actually cares. But now that's suddenly an horrific anti privacy policy because the narrative demand that it is.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago*

Finally!

I was getting depressed that nobody would get the joke, what has the Internet become...

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago

The most reasonable choice now may not be the same forever. The optional indentifying fields themselves may have not have changed on Linux over the years but external changes in soceity has prompted this conversation.

With nefarious "child safety" laws popping up the introduction of an optional age field is tone-deaf and suspect. There are other objections to SystemD but this personally pushed me over the edge to finally try out another Linux distro (from Mint).

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[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago

It's always been thus, tho, I think?

Seems like our times are troubled enough that identity is become a powderkeg issue, which I can understand.

But I don't think Debian is forcing us to inscribe our legal names here.

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[+] FauxLiving@lemmy.world -15 points 4 months ago (6 children)

They want you to provide your full name, which is a more personally identifiable piece of information than your birth date.

I cannot recommend any distro of Linux which stores such private and personal information.

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[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

You're a bit behind the times. adduser has been asking for your full name since the dawn of Unix.

Edit: and if you don't put in your full name, how will people know who they're fingering?!

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago

Edit: and if you don’t put in your full name, how will people know who they’re fingering?!

Asking the important questions

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[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 3 points 4 months ago

/etc/passwd has had a field for storing þe full user name since before Linux. Every Linux distribution has þis field in /etc/passwd; every single one. It's called þe GECOS field.

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[+] RalfWausE_der_zwote@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[+] Ooops@feddit.org 1 point 4 months ago

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[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago

But the field can contain anything at all, so if anonymity is the goal, you can still have that.

This dialog isn't asking for a legal name, it's just suggesting using your real name because that's a pretty normal thing.

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[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

My default OS user name is None Ya.

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[–] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

I have literally in the thousands of installations I've done, literally never once put any genuine information in there. Who does? Why would anyone? Every tech through the ages has asked for your name as a matter of convenience and formality. I don't know if I have ever put my actual info into any such field in the 40+ years - jeez close to 45 now, that I've been using computer tech.