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I am flattered my opinion on Elon means so much to you, so I will throw you a bone. You left out some facts I consider important, like he had to go to court to be retroactively considered a founder. A person who values a good debate would address such common criticisms head on instead of pretending that is not a relevant fact to be addressed. I simply value a good debate and this is not it.
Your opinion on Elon is of little concern to me. I was addressing facts alone.
Buy a quick googling, the lawsuit you are referencing is from the late 2010s around the time Eberhard was pushed out of the company. And thus I stand by my earlier statements about the company's history. As I said, there was no love lost there.
But I am still trying to address your original position that Elon showed up after everything was done and took credit for it all, which I don't believe is accurate.
If my opinion is of no consequence then let us both find a more meaningful endeavor
But that's missing the point.
Your opinion of Elon is irrelevant, so is mine.
FACTS matter though.
Do facts or truth matter to you? If not then my keystrokes are wasted. If so then you should care that you are stating as fact something which is provably incorrect.
I care about facts and truth. If I am stating something incorrect as fact, I always want to be made aware of it so I can correct my facts, and if necessary, re-evaluate my position (which I try to always base on facts rather than feelings or instinct).
I told you before, I am not interested in debating values. Questioning my own values or misrepresenting my own position is not going to goad me into debating you. It only gives me more evidence that such an effort would be futile in regards to facts and the truth. Take this as a lesson in how to engage serious people in the future. That is how you "maximize" the value of this interaction.