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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

That is so wrong it is astounding. If the ACA is the GOP plan, why did they try and repeal it over 70 times?

The Republican plan is for the poor to die because they believe in social eugenics.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

It's literally Romneycare with a few minor tweaks.

If the ACA is the GOP plan, why did they try and repeal it over 70 times?

The Republican plan is for the poor to die because they believe in social eugenics.

They keep trying because they want to break the government and kill people.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

And Romneycare was basically put together by Massachusetts Democrats. Romney just signed it.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

Romneycare was also based on the heritage foundation plan for insurance. So again it's still the dems only implementing a republican plan.

Also Romney didn't sign it which is one reason it's hilarious it got his name and he's proud of it.

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https://prospect.org/2014/01/03/no-obamacare-republican-proposal/

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

That is a myth that originated from the Michael Moore movie Sicko. It's not actually true, but people keep repeating it like it is.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

Obama told host Matt Lauer that "when you actually look at the bill itself, it incorporates all sorts of Republican ideas. I mean a lot of commentators have said this is sort of similar to the bill that Mitt Romney, the Republican governor and now presidential candidate, passed in Massachusetts. A lot of the ideas in terms of the exchange, just being able to pool and improve the purchasing power of individuals in the insurance market, that originated from the Heritage Foundation. ..."

It's not a myth but sure keep saying it ignoring all the facts in front of you

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

You're proving my point. The idea of pooling the purchasing power of individuals is the only part that came from the Heritage Foundation and it's not like that is an original or new idea. That is what Social Security is based on. The rest is just Obama trying to give Republicans reasons not to hate the plan.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

It's not at all comparable to Social Security. One is an actual social safety net designed to have the government provide at least a small amount of safety net.

The ACA, Romneycare and the heritage plan are all about not providing any safety for the citizens but ensuring the health insurance industry is taken care of at the expense of the citizens. This is simply because they can't handle the thought of actually supporting citizens with an actual Healthcare System people can afford.

Hell the Heritage Foundation was proud of Romneycare and only attacked the ACA as it was a win for dems as it was their plan and couldn't admit the dems did it because of how racist they are.

The idea of pooling the purchasing power of individuals

Except the ACA fails to accomplish anything close to that. It's not designed for it simply requiring minimum levels of coverage. It isn't even an option in most states. As others have stated it doesn't matter if a person is insured if getting treatment still bankrupts them.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

The ACA, Romneycare and the heritage plan are all about not providing any safety for the citizens but ensuring the health insurance industry is taken care of at the expense of the citizens.

You are entitled to this opinion but it doesn't make it fact.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

If you have any facts to the contrary please provide them. It's well documented to be designed for insurance companies not the people, if it were we'd have universal health care like the rest of the civilized world instead of being beholden to for profit companies in order to get treatments

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

No, sorry, you don't get to say your claims are well documented without providing evidence and then demand I provide evidence in the same sentence.

Also, realize that universal health insurance doesn't equate to no private for-profit insurance companies or that there is a single-payer. For example Germany has a multi-payer model with both private nonprofit and public for-profit insurance options. IIRC Japan is privately owned nonprofit with single payer. And Italy is single payer with a sort of hybrid public/private delivery structure. Shit is complicated.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

YeahI can when you've ignored everything people have presented you. Especially when you have done nothing to warrant any additional effort.

Also, realize that universal health insurance doesn't equate to no private for-profit insurance companies or that there is a single-payer. For example Germany has a multi-payer model with both private nonprofit and public for-profit insurance options. IIRC Japan is privately owned nonprofit with single payer. And Italy is single payer with a sort of hybrid public/private delivery structure. Shit is complicated

It's really not in other places as it's usually supplement insurance people can get not their only options. American only makes it hard because it's designed to milk citizens dry or allow them to die/suffer because they can't afford it after the insurance they pay for does nothing.

Btw saying it's complicated is just your opinion and needs citations.

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