▲ 907 ▼ Breaking down the illusion of a 2 party system (thelemmy.club) submitted 3 months ago by K1nsey6@lemmy.world [M] to c/latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world 331 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Triumph@fedia.io 180 points 3 months ago (30 children) The Republicans have demonstrated that no, these things do not take time. permalink fedilink source hideshow 35 child comments replies: [–] dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone 118 points 3 months ago (1 child) I asked for a gender inclusive restroom, was gaslighted those things take time. I then emailed CEO cc’ed chair of board of directors. It was converted in 2 days. It was never about time, it’s about agency permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago Yep, it takes time for us peons but the dictators can do anything they please. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lon3star@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (1 child) Add long as you brazenly break rules and laws, and your controlling party willingly does nothing about it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Triumph@fedia.io 38 points 3 months ago (3 children) Let's break some laws to make everyone better off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) No that would be terrorism put the bread down Mr valjean permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago The only law democrats are willing to break is the Leahy law. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago but . . . but . . .but THE PARLIMENTARIAN said we need to keep slavery! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 15 points 3 months ago (3 children) If America was a school we'd have one party full of bullies smoking in the bathroom who don't give a shit if one of their ranks breaks the rules so long as it's not messing with them personally, and we've got another party full of brown nosers who will run and tell the teacher any time someone even thinks about using the wrong kind of pencil. Neither is good for the student body as a whole, but in very different ways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 6 points 3 months ago Lisa Simpson ass fucking "opposition". And she's dating Nelson. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sleepdrifter@startrek.website 5 points 3 months ago The teacher? John Roberts & co. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rooster326@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Why would they need to be in the bathroom? The school is bought and paid for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 2 points 3 months ago Gotta keep up the aesthetics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago (1 child) I wish that the Democrats had anybody who was willing to fight for Medicare For All the same way Republicans fought to overturn Roe v. Wade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lobut@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I would like to think that Bernie Sanders is one of those people. Republicans have a propaganda network back then to fight against Obamacare (which isn't even Medicare for all). It was really surprising how much the Republicans fought back given the zeitgeist was going the other way with Michael Moore and all that. The whole "death panel" stuff took the air out of the room and Republicans were going on non-stop about how it was the greatest injustice to all of America. It was wild. Also, if you look at those that benefit from Obamacare and the fact that they're losing it. They still hate that it's associated at all with the Dems. It's weird. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago (1 child) Bernie isn't a Democrat, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lobut@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Ah you're right, he caucuses with them and stuff but he's an independent, you're right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* Calling him a democrat gives democrats credit for his activism. Activism they fought against instead of fighting against fascism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 months ago (4 children) Burning things down is easy, building them up takes time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] underisk@lemmy.ml 33 points 3 months ago Then start burning what the republicans built or fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago Burn down systems of oppression, then. Oh wait. That also magically takes time because this stupid platitude is just the latest in a long line of excuses from the pawl of the ratchet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) Excuses excuses. Yes, Democrats like to whine that they only got 60 votes in the Senate for a short period during Obama's term. You want to know the last time Republicans had 60 votes in the Senate? 1911. It's been over a century since Republicans had that kind of majority, and I think back then the filibuster had a larger threshold to overrule, so they probably didn't even have a filibuster-proof majority even then. You probably have to go back to Reconstruction to find Republicans with that kind of majority. Do you know how Republicans dismantle programs without a filibuster-proof majority? They do it by cutting funding. They cut funding to programs and zero out their budgets. The program still exists in legislation; it just isn't funded. To fix that damage does not require breaking a filibuster. It just requires properly funding those programs again. And funding can be passed with just a simple majority. And of course, much of what Republicans do is done by executive order, and that can easily be reversed by the next Democratic president. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) Republicans are a monolith and vote in lockstep. Democrats are an un-unified big tent party encompassing every ideology from identical to republicans to social democrats. If everybody that doesn't vote would vote for progressive candidates in every democratic primary and general we'd have a unified left of center party that could accomplish things. But instead of doing literally the only thing that can walk back the fascism all y'all keep working to get republicans elected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) What does that have to do with the conversation at hand? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) If they truly get a majority to override the president, or in the future can then make the tri fecta again, it's easy to fix shit. Just make it what it was before, blast it through committees like the Republicans do with hardly a word from someone else. The question then is are Democrats incompetent or complicit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 3 months ago Everyone knows they are complicit. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (25 replies)
[–] dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone 118 points 3 months ago (1 child) I asked for a gender inclusive restroom, was gaslighted those things take time. I then emailed CEO cc’ed chair of board of directors. It was converted in 2 days. It was never about time, it’s about agency permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago Yep, it takes time for us peons but the dictators can do anything they please. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago Yep, it takes time for us peons but the dictators can do anything they please. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lon3star@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (1 child) Add long as you brazenly break rules and laws, and your controlling party willingly does nothing about it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Triumph@fedia.io 38 points 3 months ago (3 children) Let's break some laws to make everyone better off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) No that would be terrorism put the bread down Mr valjean permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago The only law democrats are willing to break is the Leahy law. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago but . . . but . . .but THE PARLIMENTARIAN said we need to keep slavery! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Triumph@fedia.io 38 points 3 months ago (3 children) Let's break some laws to make everyone better off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) No that would be terrorism put the bread down Mr valjean permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago The only law democrats are willing to break is the Leahy law. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago but . . . but . . .but THE PARLIMENTARIAN said we need to keep slavery! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) No that would be terrorism put the bread down Mr valjean permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago The only law democrats are willing to break is the Leahy law. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago but . . . but . . .but THE PARLIMENTARIAN said we need to keep slavery! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 15 points 3 months ago (3 children) If America was a school we'd have one party full of bullies smoking in the bathroom who don't give a shit if one of their ranks breaks the rules so long as it's not messing with them personally, and we've got another party full of brown nosers who will run and tell the teacher any time someone even thinks about using the wrong kind of pencil. Neither is good for the student body as a whole, but in very different ways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 6 points 3 months ago Lisa Simpson ass fucking "opposition". And she's dating Nelson. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sleepdrifter@startrek.website 5 points 3 months ago The teacher? John Roberts & co. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rooster326@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Why would they need to be in the bathroom? The school is bought and paid for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 2 points 3 months ago Gotta keep up the aesthetics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 6 points 3 months ago Lisa Simpson ass fucking "opposition". And she's dating Nelson. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sleepdrifter@startrek.website 5 points 3 months ago The teacher? John Roberts & co. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Why would they need to be in the bathroom? The school is bought and paid for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 2 points 3 months ago Gotta keep up the aesthetics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 2 points 3 months ago Gotta keep up the aesthetics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago (1 child) I wish that the Democrats had anybody who was willing to fight for Medicare For All the same way Republicans fought to overturn Roe v. Wade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lobut@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I would like to think that Bernie Sanders is one of those people. Republicans have a propaganda network back then to fight against Obamacare (which isn't even Medicare for all). It was really surprising how much the Republicans fought back given the zeitgeist was going the other way with Michael Moore and all that. The whole "death panel" stuff took the air out of the room and Republicans were going on non-stop about how it was the greatest injustice to all of America. It was wild. Also, if you look at those that benefit from Obamacare and the fact that they're losing it. They still hate that it's associated at all with the Dems. It's weird. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago (1 child) Bernie isn't a Democrat, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lobut@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Ah you're right, he caucuses with them and stuff but he's an independent, you're right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* Calling him a democrat gives democrats credit for his activism. Activism they fought against instead of fighting against fascism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I would like to think that Bernie Sanders is one of those people. Republicans have a propaganda network back then to fight against Obamacare (which isn't even Medicare for all). It was really surprising how much the Republicans fought back given the zeitgeist was going the other way with Michael Moore and all that. The whole "death panel" stuff took the air out of the room and Republicans were going on non-stop about how it was the greatest injustice to all of America. It was wild. Also, if you look at those that benefit from Obamacare and the fact that they're losing it. They still hate that it's associated at all with the Dems. It's weird. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago (1 child) Bernie isn't a Democrat, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lobut@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Ah you're right, he caucuses with them and stuff but he's an independent, you're right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* Calling him a democrat gives democrats credit for his activism. Activism they fought against instead of fighting against fascism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago (1 child) Bernie isn't a Democrat, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lobut@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Ah you're right, he caucuses with them and stuff but he's an independent, you're right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* Calling him a democrat gives democrats credit for his activism. Activism they fought against instead of fighting against fascism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Ah you're right, he caucuses with them and stuff but he's an independent, you're right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* Calling him a democrat gives democrats credit for his activism. Activism they fought against instead of fighting against fascism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* Calling him a democrat gives democrats credit for his activism. Activism they fought against instead of fighting against fascism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 months ago (4 children) Burning things down is easy, building them up takes time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] underisk@lemmy.ml 33 points 3 months ago Then start burning what the republicans built or fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago Burn down systems of oppression, then. Oh wait. That also magically takes time because this stupid platitude is just the latest in a long line of excuses from the pawl of the ratchet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) Excuses excuses. Yes, Democrats like to whine that they only got 60 votes in the Senate for a short period during Obama's term. You want to know the last time Republicans had 60 votes in the Senate? 1911. It's been over a century since Republicans had that kind of majority, and I think back then the filibuster had a larger threshold to overrule, so they probably didn't even have a filibuster-proof majority even then. You probably have to go back to Reconstruction to find Republicans with that kind of majority. Do you know how Republicans dismantle programs without a filibuster-proof majority? They do it by cutting funding. They cut funding to programs and zero out their budgets. The program still exists in legislation; it just isn't funded. To fix that damage does not require breaking a filibuster. It just requires properly funding those programs again. And funding can be passed with just a simple majority. And of course, much of what Republicans do is done by executive order, and that can easily be reversed by the next Democratic president. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) Republicans are a monolith and vote in lockstep. Democrats are an un-unified big tent party encompassing every ideology from identical to republicans to social democrats. If everybody that doesn't vote would vote for progressive candidates in every democratic primary and general we'd have a unified left of center party that could accomplish things. But instead of doing literally the only thing that can walk back the fascism all y'all keep working to get republicans elected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) What does that have to do with the conversation at hand? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) If they truly get a majority to override the president, or in the future can then make the tri fecta again, it's easy to fix shit. Just make it what it was before, blast it through committees like the Republicans do with hardly a word from someone else. The question then is are Democrats incompetent or complicit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 3 months ago Everyone knows they are complicit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 33 points 3 months ago Then start burning what the republicans built or fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago Burn down systems of oppression, then. Oh wait. That also magically takes time because this stupid platitude is just the latest in a long line of excuses from the pawl of the ratchet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) Excuses excuses. Yes, Democrats like to whine that they only got 60 votes in the Senate for a short period during Obama's term. You want to know the last time Republicans had 60 votes in the Senate? 1911. It's been over a century since Republicans had that kind of majority, and I think back then the filibuster had a larger threshold to overrule, so they probably didn't even have a filibuster-proof majority even then. You probably have to go back to Reconstruction to find Republicans with that kind of majority. Do you know how Republicans dismantle programs without a filibuster-proof majority? They do it by cutting funding. They cut funding to programs and zero out their budgets. The program still exists in legislation; it just isn't funded. To fix that damage does not require breaking a filibuster. It just requires properly funding those programs again. And funding can be passed with just a simple majority. And of course, much of what Republicans do is done by executive order, and that can easily be reversed by the next Democratic president. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) Republicans are a monolith and vote in lockstep. Democrats are an un-unified big tent party encompassing every ideology from identical to republicans to social democrats. If everybody that doesn't vote would vote for progressive candidates in every democratic primary and general we'd have a unified left of center party that could accomplish things. But instead of doing literally the only thing that can walk back the fascism all y'all keep working to get republicans elected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) What does that have to do with the conversation at hand? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) Republicans are a monolith and vote in lockstep. Democrats are an un-unified big tent party encompassing every ideology from identical to republicans to social democrats. If everybody that doesn't vote would vote for progressive candidates in every democratic primary and general we'd have a unified left of center party that could accomplish things. But instead of doing literally the only thing that can walk back the fascism all y'all keep working to get republicans elected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) What does that have to do with the conversation at hand? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) What does that have to do with the conversation at hand? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) If they truly get a majority to override the president, or in the future can then make the tri fecta again, it's easy to fix shit. Just make it what it was before, blast it through committees like the Republicans do with hardly a word from someone else. The question then is are Democrats incompetent or complicit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 3 months ago Everyone knows they are complicit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 3 months ago Everyone knows they are complicit. permalink fedilink source parent