▲ 463 ▼ New research shows weight loss is possible without GLP-1 (www.news-medical.net) submitted 4 months ago by golden@sh.itjust.works to c/nottheonion@lemmy.world 192 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] U7826391786239@piefed.zip -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LincolnsDogFido@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 months ago You're being purposely obtuse. If you believe addiction is a disease, then overeating is also a disease. We have drugs and research guided methods to help deal with both. If its cruel to force addicts to quit cold turkey, then its also true of forcing clinically overweight patients to entirely change their lifestyle. (All the while being vocally judged and mocked) Most of these people have tried losing weight through diet and exercise and want to get better, but as the other commenter has mentioned, their mind and body works against them. That's also ignoring the societal conditions pushing us all to calorically dense, quick-n-easy meals and a working schedule that doesn't allow us much free time to exercise. As a disclosure, I am 6'0" and 200lbs. Down 30lbs from 3-4 years ago using strictly diet and exercise. BUT I'm also an athletic trainer and my office is in a gym I can use for free. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 months ago* (1 child) You have absolutely no idea how difficult it is to eat correctly when your body screams at you that it's wrong. Starvation is used as a torture method, and deliberate unassisted weight loss triggers the exact same regulatory reaction in the body even if you're not actually starving, because the body only sees "loss of fat levels". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) That's an exceptionally ironic response to scientific studies pointing mapping out the chemical processes behind the above. You're just desperately trying to justify feeling better than others. Some people can drop severe drug addictions on their own. Most can't. Do you treat ex addicts that way too? Tell them it's agency and responsibility when their fucked up chemical response messes with their head? If you actually wanted to help others, you'd spend less time condemning people you don't know and spend more time figuring out why they have problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago Well if you've looked into this at all you'd see people CANNOT. Hypothetically people can, but in reality, people can only lose weight short term and then they gain it back. You're arguing a point that has no evidence beyond "well I personally think it SHOULD work like this!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LincolnsDogFido@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 months ago You're being purposely obtuse. If you believe addiction is a disease, then overeating is also a disease. We have drugs and research guided methods to help deal with both. If its cruel to force addicts to quit cold turkey, then its also true of forcing clinically overweight patients to entirely change their lifestyle. (All the while being vocally judged and mocked) Most of these people have tried losing weight through diet and exercise and want to get better, but as the other commenter has mentioned, their mind and body works against them. That's also ignoring the societal conditions pushing us all to calorically dense, quick-n-easy meals and a working schedule that doesn't allow us much free time to exercise. As a disclosure, I am 6'0" and 200lbs. Down 30lbs from 3-4 years ago using strictly diet and exercise. BUT I'm also an athletic trainer and my office is in a gym I can use for free. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 months ago* (1 child) You have absolutely no idea how difficult it is to eat correctly when your body screams at you that it's wrong. Starvation is used as a torture method, and deliberate unassisted weight loss triggers the exact same regulatory reaction in the body even if you're not actually starving, because the body only sees "loss of fat levels". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) That's an exceptionally ironic response to scientific studies pointing mapping out the chemical processes behind the above. You're just desperately trying to justify feeling better than others. Some people can drop severe drug addictions on their own. Most can't. Do you treat ex addicts that way too? Tell them it's agency and responsibility when their fucked up chemical response messes with their head? If you actually wanted to help others, you'd spend less time condemning people you don't know and spend more time figuring out why they have problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) That's an exceptionally ironic response to scientific studies pointing mapping out the chemical processes behind the above. You're just desperately trying to justify feeling better than others. Some people can drop severe drug addictions on their own. Most can't. Do you treat ex addicts that way too? Tell them it's agency and responsibility when their fucked up chemical response messes with their head? If you actually wanted to help others, you'd spend less time condemning people you don't know and spend more time figuring out why they have problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) That's an exceptionally ironic response to scientific studies pointing mapping out the chemical processes behind the above. You're just desperately trying to justify feeling better than others. Some people can drop severe drug addictions on their own. Most can't. Do you treat ex addicts that way too? Tell them it's agency and responsibility when their fucked up chemical response messes with their head? If you actually wanted to help others, you'd spend less time condemning people you don't know and spend more time figuring out why they have problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago Well if you've looked into this at all you'd see people CANNOT. Hypothetically people can, but in reality, people can only lose weight short term and then they gain it back. You're arguing a point that has no evidence beyond "well I personally think it SHOULD work like this!" permalink fedilink source parent