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"A new report from Nielsen and published by Variety reveals that nobody is watching the most recent trio of core Star Wars films" (www.polygon.com)
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[–] 10 points 4 months ago (9 children)

TLJ is where she pulls herself back into a ship after being thrown into space, but TRoS is where Rey refers to her “master” and the reveal is that it’s Leia. I’m…fine with the scene in TLJ, she’s Luke’s twin and in RotJ he says she’s strong in the force so instinctively rescuing herself is not a huge problem. But if she was a Jedi master in TRoS she should have at least had some indication of significant training in the two preceding films.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Flying through space while unconscious, something that's never been shown possible by even trained conscious jedi, is fine, but not mentioning someone has training is a leap too far?

    If you read Rian Johnsons reasoning for the space flight scene it depicts someone without a lot of care for the world of star wars and someone who just wants to make a scene.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I guess I think like Rian Johnson, because his explanation (it’s like a person instinctively clawing for the surface when drowning) makes sense to me. I’ve been in a handful of situations where I felt like my life was in danger and I managed to do things I could not accomplish if I was trying to do them consciously. There’s a big difference between (say) holding your breath for a number of minutes when waves are pounding you into the sand, and reaching another person how to swim.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    The issue isn't about drawing upon some inate power/competency, it's the degree in which it's done.

    Holding your breath for longer or lifting a heavier car than you thought possible is enhancing a known capability. Surviving in the vaccum of space and flying aren't known abilities.

    I think we see this kind of thing done much better in The Mandalorian where we see Grogu manage to utilize the force in small ways initially (and not always as intended), then building things up over time. That's what we'd expect from someone inexperienced in the force, able to call upon some elements of it when needed, but not pulling off feats someone trained in the force can't do.

    Thats why I say Rian had little respect for the franchise. He literally says he wants to subvert expectations, but in many ways he was just breaking existing lore and/or rules of the universe. That's not good writing in my opinion. To subvert expectations you can't just change the rules.

    Edit: Spelling/grammer

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Not that it's a competition, but I was told it's an "at at" (rhymes with hat hat), and thier justification was that they heard JJ say it that way.

    Nobody, and I mean nobody with any say in the sequels understood the universe even at an elementary level. Everyone just showed up to flip the franchise up by the ankles and give a few shakes to try and dislodge its lunch money.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Listen. There are only a handful of hills I am willing to die on. And one of those hills is that the "rhymes with 'hat hat'" pronunciation is objectively wrong. Like even Lucas could say it and it's wrong. "AyTee-AyTee" is the pronunciation. This is because there are other vehicles in that series, most notably the AT-ST. So what do you call that? The "Aht-EssTee?"

    takes swig from flask

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Flying through space while unconscious, something that’s never been shown possible by even trained conscious jedi, is fine, but not mentioning someone has training is a leap too far?

    Unconcious? She's up and walking around in that scene when she gets back on the ship.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe this isn't the full scene, but it shows her getting blasted into space unconscious, eyes bolt open and she flies through space, then she's on the ship unconscious. So like, I guess maybe technically she was conscious during the flying, but that's still pretty weak.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6WzSdfKS1w4

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    heh, I'll be honest, I thought she landed earlier and walked to the door. Less "up and walking around" and more "slumped against a door".

    It's been a while since the movie came out, and I haven't re-watched it, so that's on me.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    I had to look up the scene to remember what happened.

    It's amazing how it would have been a very powerful scene had they just let her character die, now it's a point of contention in the fan base.

    I understand Rian wanting to give Leia her moment, but I feel like that understated her existing role. Leia was already the commander and that had been demonstrated in the originals and the sequels. She didnt need to be a force user to be valuable, but if she was it should have been through a subtle subterfuge or in a commanding manner, not an involuntary life saving throw.

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