I kid but also listen to jazz every day.
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There's math in music, but music isn't just math.
I didn't say it was just math. I said the art is in applying the science. And that holds through all of your arguments.
you'll notice a ton of extremely happy songs, that are in minor scales. This usually trips classically trained musicians because, well, major = happy, minor = sad, was the science for the past 400 years
No, the mood is in the application. That's part of the art. The science is in how many microtonals are between notes on a scale. In western musical systems thats 12-12-6 (whole step - whole step - half step). There are other musical systems, but the science is still underlying.
Contemporary pop, is doing away with it as younger composers and producers experiment with modal theory and unorthodox rhythmical structures and find wild commercial success with younger audiences.
Again, that experimentation is in the application. That's the art. The concepts they're experimenting with: modal theory and rhythmic structures (whether orthodox or unorthodox) are the science. They can be described numerically. All the qualia which result from their application are the art aspect, but the building blocks of those qualia are quantitative and precise.
that just flips over your arguments by making microtonal polyrithmic music that is perfectly scientific and mathematically organized yet it sounds alien
The "alien" sound is the qualia; that's an aspect of the application. In other words, the art. The microtonals and polyrhythmics are fundamentally mathematical, and thus a science.
There's a lot you can do with baking. Even unconventional. But to deny that baking is science at its core, and an art in its application, would be wildly ignorant.
Music is art, get over it.
I never said it fucking wasn't, but there is a science underlying it. Get over it.
If people likes it, science has no power over it. Music theory is, precisely, just some relic of colonialism.
Some people like flat earth theory and being unvaccinated, are you saying science has no power over that?
Yes, people can like unconventional music. I never said they can't. Convention itself is about application. Unconventional implies something about the art, or the application of the science. That doesn't change anything about the underlying science.
Music theory is, precisely, just some relic of colonialism.
That's a wildly ignorant statement, since many cultures have their own musical systems. Music theory isn't just western notation, and if that's how you're thinking of it then you're the one with the colonized mindset.
By quantitatively analyzing microtonals, rhythm, meter, and tempo, a musical work from any musical system can be understood by its fundamentals. This says nothing about the art or the expression or the qualia or people's preferences, because those are all aspects of the application of those fundamentals. But that doesn't change the fact that the fundamentals themselves are intrinsically mathematical and scientific.