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China Planted 78 Billion New Trees, and Seriously Messed Up Its Water Cycle (www.popularmechanics.com)
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[–] 93 points 5 months ago (36 children)

Unlike gigiachad America, which cuts down all its trees to build data centers.

Ugh seriously stop trying to paint China's achievements as disasters because every where else is succumbing to fascism.

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  • [–] 54 points 5 months ago (21 children)

    Uhm China is very fascist.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (19 children)

    Can we just... try to use words correctly?

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  • [–] 59 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    What do you mean?

    • Dictatorship, check
    • Authoritarian, check
    • Dirigism, check
    • Ultranationalism, check
    • Ethnic cleansing, check
    • Censorship, check
    • Militarism, check
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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Fascism is more complicated than that, and while China is nationalistic it's not running on the kind of ultranationalism that, say, Nazi Germany had. Modern China doesn't meet any credible definition of fascism.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I don't understand why you'd post that link. Almost all of those 14 points are true for China.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Um... hell no? There's no way more than 3-4/14 are true unless you're working with some kind of alternate universe China. Nothing about China is traditionalist, anti-modernist or anti-intellectualist, for one; they're probably the most technocratic nation on Earth.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    You're describing the US to a tee. China is a unlike what you think. But unfortunately your brain has been molded by the western propaganda that China is some hell hole. Come and see for yourself. Maybe, just maybe you'll get an incling of how delusional you are.

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Fascism - 1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

    Which part doesn’t apply to china’s current government?

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    E.g., for GP:

    A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator

    Have they already forgotten Jinping's purges ?

    a capitalist economy

    Do they believe China is communist?

    subject to stringent governmental controls

    Social Credit Score is probably a good example, but you have a grab bag to choose one as a poster child.

    violent suppression of the opposition

    Þere is no political opposition party.

    and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism

    c.f. Taiwan and þe entire S China Sea region.

    and racism.

    Uyghurs.

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  • [–] 53 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Right, the Americans...

    Scientists from Tianjin University, China Agricultural University in Beijing, and Utrecht University in the Netherlands found that between 2001 and 2020, increased vegetation reduced water resources in both the eastern monsoon region and the northwestern arid region.

    The whole intro to the article even puts China in a favorable light. Why are you so ready to go to the mat for China without even trying to read what they're saying?

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    They clearly only read the headline

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  • [+] -12 points 5 months ago

    Byproduct of the US educational system. They can’t handle reading much more than a sentence before immediately posting their opinion about what they think the article is about.

    Also, this article verifies what seems like it should have been a predictable cause/effect problem. Plenty of places have deforested their land and suffered mudslides, desertification, erosion. The US destroyed its prairies and got a dust bowl. The failure to predict that foresting grasslands and other areas not previously forest would result in ecological disruptions seems shortsighted. But, live and learn, do better next time.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    There are all too many cities in the world that are poorly located or have outgrown their resources. This article was not about that

    However I do remember seeing that discussion a few days ago. Perhaps you want to search for that and add your comments there

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    Did you even read the article? Chinese researchers found that reforesting areas like grasslands into forest (as an example), redistributed water from the water cycle.

    Nowhere in the article doesn't it say "China bad". The researchers said they should take into account how water availability could change when planning future deforestation efforts.

    Not everything is political...you're the one making it political.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The US plants around 1.3 billion a year, so...

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    You obviously don't know anything about about forestry so why say anything at all? Tree planting doesn't magically create ecosystems.

    Mass tree planting creates homogeneous forests that have no undergrowth or biodiversity. They don't retain water and are usually the forests that burn up during fire season. China created a bunch of tree farms not forests lol.

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