No yeah I think you and i are aligned just was trying to expand the discussion a little, but your post pretty much says it all

Local dem spaces where I am are doing fundraisers for zionists and calling the cops on protesters

Plenty of people can see behind the curtain. At least 50% of people don't vote at all, and a good majority don't because they don't think it matters in the slightest.

The issue at hand is organizing these disaffected people in a way that can make them affective. Hasan is so busy in his goal to move people left, but all these arguments are only good for pulling people who are already politically active, who are not a majority of the country.

Hasan isn't usually detrimental to the movements, but he is only radical in context that we are extremely fucked here in the West. It is an extremely bad sign when our most popular leading figure is a media critic.

Years ago now Hasan was the guy who pulled my now adult (then teenager) son towards communism and in the process of it all this radicalized me, his dad and the ripples of it keep going around in my family affecting all the libs. We have all moved further left than Hasan long ago, but he was one big influence in why I am now pursuing Marxist academic work and my son is reading Stalin.

For what it's worth my kid has told me that there was a time where he could have gone another way, some of the streamers he was watching before Hasan ended up in dark places. My son is very online and I am forever grateful for a voice like this in a sea of right wingers and the fact that this is what my kid ended up watching.

normalized by palestinian journalists. existence of hasan is known by 16% of seppos, yet entity is opposed by 46%, riddle me this.

anti-iraq war protests had more coherent anti-war positions (due to being republicans-led war)

gen-z will fall where they fall pending on labor market.

i like or ambivalent that he is handsome, i just doubt he spreads socialist action theory fitting the moment or does anything differently from previous failures.

the class issues are in the process of further subjugation (by share of worker gdp or union density further decline), amerikkkans are in the 1870s russia (going to the people, questionable empire, nihilism, undirected actions, security state spreading its wings), not even 1905 (although i think russia is all sorts of wrong, while some parallel of peasants paying their imposed liberation thingy might be comparable to rents, it's still entirely different class, weimar republic in 1920s is both alarmist and fits even worse, france under napoleon 3rd also kinda fits with some adjustments, yet same time period)

i won't put them on a millionaire streamer, please be serious. socialism is not poverty cult, but also socialism is love for the fellow human, not treatlerism. i like to think my coworker believe me more when i volunteer on week-ends and share some donation stuff i think fits their profile, be it free software or some global south issue or some pet shelter.

50 years of effective operators rubbing shoulders with powerful people, how did that work out for unions? going well i hope.

He gets a large contingent of listeners who support the bernie/AOC/zohran wing of the dem party and would refuse to listen to him if he condemned voting, moves them further left and then directs them to people who will explain why they shouldn't vote dem. imo he's probably a net-negative on the number of dem voters ngl.

Edit: also by being nominally pro voting for the Dems he gets access to a whole mainstream media sphere to talk directly to normie dems about his actual beliefs and is allowed to be far more openly critical of the democratic party on these platforms than he would be able to otherwise