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ONE CENTURY OF HASAN PIKER DISCOURSE (thelemmy.club)
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Hasan Piker confirms upcoming debate with Sean Hannity on 'Hang Out with Sean Hannity' podcast
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[–] 6 points 4 months ago (11 children)

"the purpose of the system is what it does" analysis of hasan leads to some very unfortunate conclusions. tell me, materially or rhetorically, results of hasan existence? as i see it, rhetorically it's: vote blue, spend money on bezos platforms, never engage third parties, embrace matt dussism. materially it's get expensive house, rub shoulders with dipshits.

i agree with conservative coworkers on 80% things as well, if i pose questions in the right way, so

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    tell me, materially or rhetorically, results of hasan existence?

    The normalization of pro-Palestinian politics, the normalization of anti-imperialist and anti-war positions, the mainstreaming of socialist theory, the radicalization of millions of demoralized Gen Zers who might otherwise fall into right-wing traps

    Whether you like it or not the face of American socialism is a buff handsome Turkish man who can and does articulate almost all our talking points to the mainstream

    But all of that is supposed to be trumped because he interviews Illhan Omar and AOC? Lenin once wrote a whole book about why this kind of mal-prioritized thinking is counterproductive

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Years ago now Hasan was the guy who pulled my now adult (then teenager) son towards communism and in the process of it all this radicalized me, his dad and the ripples of it keep going around in my family affecting all the libs. We have all moved further left than Hasan long ago, but he was one big influence in why I am now pursuing Marxist academic work and my son is reading Stalin.

    For what it's worth my kid has told me that there was a time where he could have gone another way, some of the streamers he was watching before Hasan ended up in dark places. My son is very online and I am forever grateful for a voice like this in a sea of right wingers and the fact that this is what my kid ended up watching.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    normalized by palestinian journalists. existence of hasan is known by 16% of seppos, yet entity is opposed by 46%, riddle me this.

    anti-iraq war protests had more coherent anti-war positions (due to being republicans-led war)

    gen-z will fall where they fall pending on labor market.

    i like or ambivalent that he is handsome, i just doubt he spreads socialist action theory fitting the moment or does anything differently from previous failures.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago*

    i just doubt he spreads socialist action theory fitting the moment or does anything differently from previous failures.

    To defend Hasan, he played a large role in getting Zohran elected. Is Zohran a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist? No. But did Zohran personally get Trump to release multiple pro-Palestinian activists from prison? Yes. Those comrades would be in prison right now if it were not for Zohran and probably Hasan's endorsement of him. You you can't say he has has not done anything different than other similar fugures, that statement is materially false.

    fitting the moment

    I really am curious to know what your example of "fitting the moment" is. In our techno-feudal modern age, all information streams are controlled by billionaires - your message will never reach the masses unless your words remain within the limits set by those billionaires. And considering the low level of class consciousness the average American has, do you believe "revolution now" is a good message that "fits the moment?" If America has a revolution now, it will inevitably turn into a fascist revolution.

    Nobody in America is even protesting the Iran war now, despite the high gas prices and lack of propaganda effort from the Trump administration. Are these the people who would support, or possibly join, a socialist revolution? I think the best we can hope for in the USA, in the short-term, is an FDR like figure ushering in a New "New Deal" era, which historically did not make America a socialist state but did lead to many other countries in the global periphery launching left-wing projects - Mexico under Cardenas nationalizing Pemex for example. Would it not be a good idea to take the Eye of Sauron off of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, etc. by electing a social democrat / democratic socialist who could enact a "Good Neighbor" 2.0 policy?

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The overall purpose is still unfolding because the political situation in the US is currently turbulent and class issues are in the process of being mainstreamed.

    He does third parties, though with a light touch (at this time). If PSL will invite him to collab, why should I cast him out?

    i agree with conservative coworkers on 80% things as well, if i pose questions in the right way, so

    Right, so put them on Hasan so he can do the work of bringing them ~18% of the way closer to you. Meet up with them in 6 months or something and you just need need to direct them into your org of preference.

    Once again "vote blue" is an underdeveloped analysis. "Spend money on bexos platforms" is having a job, he doesn't have another source of income outside of Twitch subs. "Get expensive house" is not an argument about anything, nobody cares, socialism is not a poverty cult.

    "Rub shoulders with dipshits" doesn't matter if they are powerful dipshits, political practice is a social game. If you aren't doing the same to at least a minor extent, I have a difficult time imagining that you are an effective political operator in your community.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    the class issues are in the process of further subjugation (by share of worker gdp or union density further decline), amerikkkans are in the 1870s russia (going to the people, questionable empire, nihilism, undirected actions, security state spreading its wings), not even 1905 (although i think russia is all sorts of wrong, while some parallel of peasants paying their imposed liberation thingy might be comparable to rents, it's still entirely different class, weimar republic in 1920s is both alarmist and fits even worse, france under napoleon 3rd also kinda fits with some adjustments, yet same time period)

    i won't put them on a millionaire streamer, please be serious. socialism is not poverty cult, but also socialism is love for the fellow human, not treatlerism. i like to think my coworker believe me more when i volunteer on week-ends and share some donation stuff i think fits their profile, be it free software or some global south issue or some pet shelter.

    50 years of effective operators rubbing shoulders with powerful people, how did that work out for unions? going well i hope.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    tbh it feels like he occasionally says "vote blue" every now and again so libs will listen to him then spends 99% of the time convincing them of our political positions and directing them to people who will immediately tell them actually they shouldn't vote blue while explaining marxism in more depth. So I'd say it's a decent tradeoff ngl.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago*

    He gets a large contingent of listeners who support the bernie/AOC/zohran wing of the dem party and would refuse to listen to him if he condemned voting, moves them further left and then directs them to people who will explain why they shouldn't vote dem. imo he's probably a net-negative on the number of dem voters ngl.

    Edit: also by being nominally pro voting for the Dems he gets access to a whole mainstream media sphere to talk directly to normie dems about his actual beliefs and is allowed to be far more openly critical of the democratic party on these platforms than he would be able to otherwise

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