Political Memes

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (6 children)

no idea what your point is. that's just a random word definition

twat noun ˈtwät British usually ˈtwat pluraltwats

Simple Definition A Simple Definition is available from our Learner's Dictionary to help you understand the meaning faster. 1 slang, vulgar + offensive : a woman's sexual organs 2 British : a stupid or annoying person '… no, you're not sorry, you're just a twat.' —Mark Billingham

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[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Pluraltwats is my new band name.

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[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 1 point 5 months ago

I dunno, I like "usual twat". Or maybe that'll be pluraltwats' first album?

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[+] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

So you got nothing, lol.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

not going to deny, I have absolutely no idea what you were trying to say, so technically, I can't answer that. but that's like winning a debate by only barking and making other debaters give up on dealing with you.

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[+] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

The Iran shit brought the trolls out, interesting.

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[+] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago

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[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 15 points 5 months ago (4 children)

He means “says what center-left and further progressives want to hear, but then is all talk and no action, no substance”

John Fetterman, Kirsten Sinema, Deja Fox type shit

In order words, Geta could have just been all talk but the fucking IDF roughed her up and she came back for more

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[+] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Then why didn't he say that? What you are saying makes complete sense.

Also, there are a lot of trolls trying to mix up and confuse the word liberal. I wanted to know what they exactly meant. No answer, just "blah, blah, insult, blah, blah, blah."

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[–] shishka_b0b@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 months ago

Then why didn't he say that?

Bc your original comment in its entirety made very little sense. Why would you ask what a liberal grifter is then feel like it's necessary to explain what a liberal is? My guess is that you were just being condescending and now realize you had absolutely no idea what you were talking about.

And not being able to understand your condescending nonsense doesn't make someone a troll. That sounds more like a victim complex and projection cocktail to me.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

A lot of people get "liberal" mixed up with "neoliberal," and it would be kinda funny if it wasn't so annoying.

Like, yeah, I get it, "neoliberal" contains the word "liberal." A third grader could figure that out. But "neoliberalism" is a misnomer; there's nothing liberal about it at all. In fact, it's a conservative economic ideology.

Liberalism itself sprung from the humanist tradition and has a long philosophical tradition, but people who have never read classic liberal philosophy think they know what it is.

Of course, it developed in the west, so people associate it with imperialist/colonialist projects. But western philosophy also gave us concepts like human rights, secularism, and the scientific method. Are those things colonialist projects, too?

And yeah, there are some corporate sellout neoliberals on the Democrat side of the aisle. That doesn't make "liberalism" about corporatism, it makes those corporate Dems not really liberal.

Also, lots of republicans are/were neoliberals. Reagan most famously, but also basically every self-declared "fiscal conservative." "Fiscal responsibility" is code for "stinginess," the opposite of "liberality."

"Liberal," on the other hand, in the sense of "generous," means "giving freely." It also comes from the same root as "liberty."

So yeah, a lot of people attack "liberalism" and "liberals" because they get it confused with "neoliberalism." Try to explain the difference and you'll get some tankie accusing you of being an ignorant westerner, or even a fascist, not even grasping the irony that 1), they're revealing their own ignorance about the subject, and 2), liberalism and fascism are mutually opposed to each other.

Of course, when conservatives use "liberal" as an insult, they're talking about progressives, leftists, and anyone else they lump into that category.

I guess there's no winning...

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago

I guess there’s no winning…

That does seem to be the point. Confuse everyone so it loses all meaning.

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[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago*

I appreciate your request for clarification. Political liberalism, economic liberalism, libertarianism, and anti-authoritarianism are three rings on a Venn diagram.

Anyone more fluent in the issue, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Anti-authoritarianism is a component in a vast swath of political ideologies, and by itself is as meaningless as half of an address on an envelope in Hong Kong's biggest post office.

Political liberalism typically bears features typically associated with the center-left; a lukewarm or even ambivalent stance on the nationalization of important strategic resources, and a penchant for permissive social and cultural dynamics (common sense civil rights like gay marriage and racial justice). Unfortunately, it lends itself to complacency and the paradox of tolerance, (or even outright allying with the political right for the sake of upholding the status quo) hence why leftists tend to barely tolerate or even dislike liberals on principle.

Economic liberalism is essentially laissez-faire Keynesian capitalism. Corporatism thrives under these conditions, leading to the exploitation of the working class by political bodies compromised by their economic power brokers. This in turn leads to corruption, the erosion of human rights, and other awful shit that should be avoided.

Social liberalism is (usually) an anti-authoritarian stance wherein democratic values are openly espoused and this attitude is applied to economic functions. This is the most common political orientation in continental Europe.

Libertarianism is a political orientation which combines an (ostensibly) anti-authoritarian leaning with fanatical devotion to capitalist economic models. This can range from corporatism to anarcho-capitalism. In their eyes, the free market is the greatest thing ever invented. All hail the almighty and benevolent coin. /s /s /s

The typical sentiment behind 'liberal grifter' is an individual who claims affinity to political liberalism co-opting disestablishmentarian sentiments for the sake of improving personal public image. They larp as an anarchist for the cameras, but really they're just as invested in maintaining the status quo as any other economically-minded political liberal with capitalist leanings.