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Hormuz traffic has climbed to its highest levels since the early days of the war, as more countries secure apparent safe-passage agreements with Iran. (www.bloomberg.com)
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[–] 52 points 6 months ago (28 children)

Imagine the fucking win for Iran if this is resolved with that strain as Iran property and everyone having to pay a toll for passing

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  • [+] -16 points 6 months ago (27 children)

    Im imagining tons of people cheering for it because it's bad for the U.S. and good for one of their victims despite the fact that it is literally a form of rent seeking

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  • [–] 61 points 6 months ago (19 children)

    It's arguably a good idea for the world in general. By occupying the strait and being the official security provider, Iran prevents the U.S. from ever taking that role. One of the reasons the US tried to collapse Iran was so it could come in and occupy the Strait, then use that power to cut off China from Hormuz oil as an extension of their Strait of Malacca blockade strategy into the Middle East.

    Just imagine if the U.S. was able to enforce sanctions and blockades at the Strait of Hormuz, restricting oil going from the strait to any U.S.-sanctioned country. That would be the exact inverse of what Iran is doing right now.

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  • [+] -24 points 6 months ago (18 children)

    Iran taking rent on every single bit of transit going through the strait isn't going to do anything good for anyone who isn't in iran and directly benefiting from it

    This is the fucked up take i expect from people who don't know what critical support means. Preventing the U.S. from doing something doesn't mean it's magically a good thing (much less for the rest of the fucking world, what) if Iran does it.

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    The funniest part about non-materialists is that somehow their beliefs always benefit the US. They'll pay lip service and criticize the US, but they'll their positions are somehow always about maintaining the status quo or demanding an idealist solution with absolutely no way of achieving it.

    Sometimes I wonder if there's a nefarious agenda there. I see it too often, especially with Western lefitsts, the section that benefits most from American hegemony

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago

    It's even funnier considering Iran had allowed food shipments to Egypt to go past for free due to Egypt implementing policies Iran deems as respectable. Egypt frankly hasn't done shit, so I'd imagine it wouldn't be troublsome to negotiate with Iran about passage through the straight.

    To me the toll system more appears like a way for Iran to charge countries based on their level of economic development, while minimizing the effects of the petrodollar on Global South countries.

    People are talking about how Iran is charging oil in Yuan, but I think this will change after the war. Yuan is useful to Iran because China is a massive trading partner, however I think that as BRICS becomes more influential, and the US Sanctions regime collapses further, Iran will begin accepting the national currencies of other countries. That way they can more easily access parts of the global economy without having to use the dollar.

    Within a couple tears time, maybe even some months from now, I expect to start seeing headlines about Iran trading oil to India in Rupees or another BRICS country and their national currency.

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  • [+] -14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    non-materialists

    Yes because pointing out that levying a toll on shipments through a strait is a rent seeking arrangement is non materialist

    Eat me

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  • [–] 30 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Iran needs money (since the US has sanctioned them to kingdom come) to preserve the value of its currency and its balance of payments, and this is a good way to do so. What did you expect Iran to do? Fight the U.S. without getting any money in return?

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  • [+] -11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I expect iran to levy a toll and people who aren't brainless to support it within the context of raising funds for the war but not support it within the context of "iran gets a toll on all shipments through the strait forever, which totally isn't a rent seeking arrangement"

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago

    First of all, it's likely to only be a toll on "unfriendly" countries. Secondly, it is a form of reparations for the damage inflicted by sanctions and the war. As long as sanctions continue, tolls are justified.

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    The panama canal and the suez canal both have transit fees.

    My lib opinion is that because nothing ever happens, Iran will let everyone go through the strait toll-free, except for US/isntreali/maybe gulf states.

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  • [–] 46 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Iran has stated the situation will continue but they will have a 5 tiers based on how "friendly" a country is, which will determine the price per barrel of oil.

    A table for reference:

    Tier Classification Base Rate (per barrel) Key Countries
    Tier 1 Strategic Allies $0.50 – $0.70 China, Russia
    Tier 2 Friendly Partners $0.80 – $0.90 India, Pakistan
    Tier 3 Neutral Nations ~$1.00 African, SE Asian, Latin Am.
    Tier 4 Restricted / Ad-hoc Negotiated Variable
    Tier 5 Hostile / Blockaded Denied Passage USA, Israel
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  • [+] -16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The strait of hormuz isn't built infrastructure that also takes labor to maintain

    The takes you people are having are exactly what I expected. US is evil, iran is fighting the U.S., therefore everything beneficial to iran is good. Literally defending taking rent lmao good job

    And for pointing out that this is a rent seeking arrangement i'm accused of being some pro U.S. stooge? everyone in this thread can lick my ass balls to crack

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    I just don't think these kinds of tolls will be enacted permanently with no leeway for developing nations.

    Iran needs the money for the war, they've shown to waive the transit fees to countries who ask nicely, and it's giving them the capability to pressure other governments to vocalize their dissatisfaction with the US/isntreal warcrimes.

    We have France condemning the US now, if Iran blocked all of the EU's passage through the strait, I think NATO would join in on the bombing campaign.

    Everyone thinks materialistically in the sense that the EU states know it would be an expensive bombing campaign that probably wouldn't guarantee safe passage for them after all is said and done. Iran provided them an alternative route, where they pay a toll now, and I'm assuming the tolls will be negotiable once the individual states prove they will not provide assistance to the terroristic bombings of Iran.

    Spain isn't even paying the tolls because they have been against the war from the get-go, it's a pretty powerful bargaining chip to have in Iran's arsenal. As long as you're not involved in the illegal bombing campaign, you won't get charged the fee.

    If anything, this would at least pay for the damages the bombing campaign has done to Iran's infrastructure / killings of thousands of civilians. The US/isntreal will never pay reparations for the crimes they committed, and the fees will scale with how much material and diplomatic support the terrorist states received from each individual country.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Iran needs that money to rebuild and support what's left of families destroyed by the two Satans. Du you think Israel or USA are going to make reparations? I don't, and I think every state complicit in this attempted genocide (including by looking away) ought to be responsible for helping rebuild, especially water, and this is the only way I see it happening. Besides, these same states has been using Iran as their personal torture chambers and ATM for very little in return, beyond being subjected to the same tactics for three quarters of a century, and probably more.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago*

    so iran gets to be landlord of the strait until climate change kills everyone, sure good job everyone

    I hope spain gets funny ideas about gibraltar so i can watch you nerds realize things matter outside of "enemy of enemy... FRIEND?" grade school framings and "rent seeking on any geographically important crossing is cool and the Marxist Position (tm)" will definitely continue to be what y'all defend

    I wish nerds would stop bothering me about shit an entire day later

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Oman gets a cut too. Also more money for Iran is more money for the groups they support opposing isntrael

    i would maybe prefer direct reparations paid by the entity, but transit fees are more immune to yanks going back on their word.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Oil through the strait only accounts for 20%. This just breaks the monopoly of all avenues being US aligned. There's other ways to buy oil.

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  • [+] -7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Weird how when that oil is no longer available the price of other oil goes up, almost like there's an economy involved that doesn't care where it comes from

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    I think downvoting is silly idky you're getting downvoted, while I don't agree with you I think it's still constructive to have this conversation.

    I already wrote another comment just now so I hope you read what I wrote, but I'll try to get my point across differently again here.

    If two people in a group started beating me up, I would try to get my hospital bills paid for by them. If the rest of the people in that group cheered them on while they put me in the hospital, I would seek payment for the damages committed by their friends.

    China / Malaysia / Philippines / Spain don't pay the tolls because they aren't materially supporting the aggression, I would hope the brits have to pay some sort of reparations for their support thus far.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    As you may well know, there is nothing wrong with "rent seeking" here because we do not have an immature understanding of capital where we duplicitiously split industrial vs finance capital the way the Nazis did.

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  • [+] -12 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    okay? irrelevant statements

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Im imagining tons of people cheering for it because it’s bad for the U.S. and good for one of their victims despite the fact that it is literally a form of rent seeking

    (Quoting you, emphasis added)

    Maybe more reading may help.

    Poverty of Philosophy (an attack on Proudhonism; 99% of western leftists including a lot of self-claimed Marxists are guilty of)

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/poverty-philosophy/

    Best of luck

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