▲ 317 ▼ Denuvo has been broken (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 5 months ago by Encephalotrocity@feddit.online to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 comments fedilink hide all child comments Company promises countermeasures against new DRM bypasses — zero-day game releases become norm as security concerns mount over hypervisor-based bypass
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 months ago (1 child) I don’t see how this is much worse than running Denuvo malware to begin with. I treat my windows gaming partition as a disposable DMZ anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] upstroke4448@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 months ago (6 children) This seems like a bad faith argument, the crack is basically installing a rootkit in your system. Its fair to assume a lot of casual users will be as ignorant as you are about the security issues and not re-enable the features. If you truly can't see why that might be worse then DRM installed in a game your a fool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 39 points 5 months ago (2 children) If it's a question of installing a rootkit belonging to either the evil pirates who are closer to my kind of evil, or evil corporations who are literally destroying the internet, civilization, and the world in order to masturbate in their AI training gulags with my personal data? I'd choose to trust the pirates every time. That said, if I have to install a rootkit from anyone to play a fucking game, I'm probably just not playing that fucking game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 months ago* That's assuming they're just pirates, not state actors or hackers taking advantage of it. Still though, Denuvo is possibly assisting state actors too, so 🤷. The ideal solutions is just don't play games with Denuvo. It's not that difficult. permalink fedilink source parent [–] upstroke4448@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago* Lol that's not the question at all. People are making this into a false dichotomy. This is not a question of install denuvo or use the HV crack. Don't do either. Period. These are both terrible for security. HV is worse as it goes deeper into your system and requires you to turn off a bunch of critical security features for it to work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 months ago Are you familiar with how denuvo works? It is also a literal root kit. Yes it doesn’t run on ring -1, but it is ring 0. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 19 points 5 months ago the crack is basically installing a rootkit in your system As is denuvo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Well... Nothing new then. https://discuss.techlore.tech/t/psa-eac-apex-legends-anti-cheat-vulnerability/7768 https://arxiv.org/html/2408.00500v1 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Could a kind soul repipe all that garbage JavaScript escape code for: <discourse-assets-json> <div class="hidden" id="data-preloaded" data-preloaded="{"topic_7768":"{\"post_stream to markdown, Creole, or Org? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) ...do you not use JavaScript? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Based if true permalink fedilink source parent [–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago I prefer actual Unicode 17. permalink fedilink source parent [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago the crack is basically installing a rootkit So is denuvo. I trust the random cracker's rootkit more than denuvo's. Potential evil is less risky than proven, official, completely intentional evil. Still, I have no interest in playing games infected with this shit. Their developers have evidently no interest in making good or even playable games, or they wouldn't infect them with this performance and usability killing malware, so to the blacklist they and their whole publisher go, cracked or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Ok, I'll play the fool. Why is it worse? Is there some reason I should trust irdeto more than a guy in a hoodie? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago There is a reason, if it's just some guy in a hoodie. If it's a known cracker with a reputation for good cracks, it's probably fine. Some random person? I'd avoid it. I'd probably avoid it either way, but I agree there's no reason to trust the company either. Just don't trust either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] upstroke4448@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 months ago (6 children) This seems like a bad faith argument, the crack is basically installing a rootkit in your system. Its fair to assume a lot of casual users will be as ignorant as you are about the security issues and not re-enable the features. If you truly can't see why that might be worse then DRM installed in a game your a fool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 39 points 5 months ago (2 children) If it's a question of installing a rootkit belonging to either the evil pirates who are closer to my kind of evil, or evil corporations who are literally destroying the internet, civilization, and the world in order to masturbate in their AI training gulags with my personal data? I'd choose to trust the pirates every time. That said, if I have to install a rootkit from anyone to play a fucking game, I'm probably just not playing that fucking game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 months ago* That's assuming they're just pirates, not state actors or hackers taking advantage of it. Still though, Denuvo is possibly assisting state actors too, so 🤷. The ideal solutions is just don't play games with Denuvo. It's not that difficult. permalink fedilink source parent [–] upstroke4448@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago* Lol that's not the question at all. People are making this into a false dichotomy. This is not a question of install denuvo or use the HV crack. Don't do either. Period. These are both terrible for security. HV is worse as it goes deeper into your system and requires you to turn off a bunch of critical security features for it to work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 months ago Are you familiar with how denuvo works? It is also a literal root kit. Yes it doesn’t run on ring -1, but it is ring 0. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 19 points 5 months ago the crack is basically installing a rootkit in your system As is denuvo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Well... Nothing new then. https://discuss.techlore.tech/t/psa-eac-apex-legends-anti-cheat-vulnerability/7768 https://arxiv.org/html/2408.00500v1 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Could a kind soul repipe all that garbage JavaScript escape code for: <discourse-assets-json> <div class="hidden" id="data-preloaded" data-preloaded="{"topic_7768":"{\"post_stream to markdown, Creole, or Org? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) ...do you not use JavaScript? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Based if true permalink fedilink source parent [–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago I prefer actual Unicode 17. permalink fedilink source parent [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago the crack is basically installing a rootkit So is denuvo. I trust the random cracker's rootkit more than denuvo's. Potential evil is less risky than proven, official, completely intentional evil. Still, I have no interest in playing games infected with this shit. Their developers have evidently no interest in making good or even playable games, or they wouldn't infect them with this performance and usability killing malware, so to the blacklist they and their whole publisher go, cracked or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Ok, I'll play the fool. Why is it worse? Is there some reason I should trust irdeto more than a guy in a hoodie? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago There is a reason, if it's just some guy in a hoodie. If it's a known cracker with a reputation for good cracks, it's probably fine. Some random person? I'd avoid it. I'd probably avoid it either way, but I agree there's no reason to trust the company either. Just don't trust either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 39 points 5 months ago (2 children) If it's a question of installing a rootkit belonging to either the evil pirates who are closer to my kind of evil, or evil corporations who are literally destroying the internet, civilization, and the world in order to masturbate in their AI training gulags with my personal data? I'd choose to trust the pirates every time. That said, if I have to install a rootkit from anyone to play a fucking game, I'm probably just not playing that fucking game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 months ago* That's assuming they're just pirates, not state actors or hackers taking advantage of it. Still though, Denuvo is possibly assisting state actors too, so 🤷. The ideal solutions is just don't play games with Denuvo. It's not that difficult. permalink fedilink source parent [–] upstroke4448@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago* Lol that's not the question at all. People are making this into a false dichotomy. This is not a question of install denuvo or use the HV crack. Don't do either. Period. These are both terrible for security. HV is worse as it goes deeper into your system and requires you to turn off a bunch of critical security features for it to work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 months ago* That's assuming they're just pirates, not state actors or hackers taking advantage of it. Still though, Denuvo is possibly assisting state actors too, so 🤷. The ideal solutions is just don't play games with Denuvo. It's not that difficult. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] upstroke4448@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago* Lol that's not the question at all. People are making this into a false dichotomy. This is not a question of install denuvo or use the HV crack. Don't do either. Period. These are both terrible for security. HV is worse as it goes deeper into your system and requires you to turn off a bunch of critical security features for it to work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 months ago Are you familiar with how denuvo works? It is also a literal root kit. Yes it doesn’t run on ring -1, but it is ring 0. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 19 points 5 months ago the crack is basically installing a rootkit in your system As is denuvo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Well... Nothing new then. https://discuss.techlore.tech/t/psa-eac-apex-legends-anti-cheat-vulnerability/7768 https://arxiv.org/html/2408.00500v1 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Could a kind soul repipe all that garbage JavaScript escape code for: <discourse-assets-json> <div class="hidden" id="data-preloaded" data-preloaded="{"topic_7768":"{\"post_stream to markdown, Creole, or Org? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) ...do you not use JavaScript? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Based if true permalink fedilink source parent [–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago I prefer actual Unicode 17. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Could a kind soul repipe all that garbage JavaScript escape code for: <discourse-assets-json> <div class="hidden" id="data-preloaded" data-preloaded="{"topic_7768":"{\"post_stream to markdown, Creole, or Org? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) ...do you not use JavaScript? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Based if true permalink fedilink source parent [–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago I prefer actual Unicode 17. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cole@lemdro.id 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) ...do you not use JavaScript? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Based if true permalink fedilink source parent [–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago I prefer actual Unicode 17. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Based if true permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago I prefer actual Unicode 17. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago the crack is basically installing a rootkit So is denuvo. I trust the random cracker's rootkit more than denuvo's. Potential evil is less risky than proven, official, completely intentional evil. Still, I have no interest in playing games infected with this shit. Their developers have evidently no interest in making good or even playable games, or they wouldn't infect them with this performance and usability killing malware, so to the blacklist they and their whole publisher go, cracked or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Ok, I'll play the fool. Why is it worse? Is there some reason I should trust irdeto more than a guy in a hoodie? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago There is a reason, if it's just some guy in a hoodie. If it's a known cracker with a reputation for good cracks, it's probably fine. Some random person? I'd avoid it. I'd probably avoid it either way, but I agree there's no reason to trust the company either. Just don't trust either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago There is a reason, if it's just some guy in a hoodie. If it's a known cracker with a reputation for good cracks, it's probably fine. Some random person? I'd avoid it. I'd probably avoid it either way, but I agree there's no reason to trust the company either. Just don't trust either. permalink fedilink source parent