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Great to meet you, ya piece of scum!
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I'm working on it. Maybe. Well, one day. Like when other Left of centre, anti trump, anti corpo type folks oppose the things I oppose in correct manner and degree, duh.
I hate Trump but think democrats are the only party that are in a position to save us from him.
Thoughts?
I don't think democrats are even all that interested in preventing fascism. Establishment liberals don't have a good track record of beating fascism and I don't think we should keep making the mistake of expecting them to do so.
They’re more interested than Jill Stein and get more votes the Rachelle Fruit so I’d say they can be worked with.
I guess I am just not expecting to defeat fascism through electoral politics. It didn't really work before and I don't see any reason for it to work now.
It didn’t work because we voted the dictator in.
Sure but fascism isn't just one dude. Them not getting elected doesn't end fascism. We already have fascist in our government. They're in our police force, military, local administrations, legislature, and judicial system. Many of them own significant portions of our national economy, some of them even have international capital. Fascists are willing to cheat, lie, and kill for power. You can't stop that with a single election or even a series of them. If you think that you can then you have vastly underestimated our enemy.
The nazis lost elections before they won them. They didn't go away after losing, they got stronger.
Fascists need to be identified and purged fron official positions, the financial assets of bourgeois fascists should be seized, and most importantly the material conditions (poverty mostly) that made fascism appealing to millions of people need to be resolved. I don't think democrats are willing to do this.
Biden and Obama were making life better while Trump is speedrunning everything you’re saying about everyone else.
I honestly don't understand how either of those people are relevant to what I said and idk what you mean by "everything you're saying about everyone else". I wasn't referring to any specific people or any actions those unspecified people are currently taking.
My comment was regarding the current level of fascist power, the inadequacy of elections to eliminate them as a threat, the historical effectiveness of elections in regard to the nazis, and actions that could be effective at stopping fascism.
Biden and Obama were democrats while Trump is a fascist.
I can understand it being confusing if you’re wondering how it’s relevant to what you’re saying instead try reading what I’m saying and you’ll see how it fits.
Are you genuinely implying that biden and obama not be fascists makes them inherently good and effective at stopping fascism? I read what you were saying and it didn't make any sense to me so I asked and I think it'd be cool if you explained things instead of adding obstacles to communication
Not being a fascist is much better than being one if you’re trying to stop it.
Sure but normally fascists seize power from liberals or have it handed to them so being liberals doesn't make them an inherently effective obstacle to fascism. I feel you are being purposefully obtuse and will be disengaging.
Fascists seize power from liberals because those are the two parties in the two party system.
If you don’t have an argument for that I understand why you’d disengage.
At what point do you start asking why do you only have two parties, or why do you have a two party system?
Also, just because Biden and Obama weren't "fascistic" to domestic population doesn't mean they weren't committing atrocities in the Global South.
If your stance is "I'm fine if the brown people are hurt, I just don't want myself to face anything remotely close to that", I have some pretty bad news for you
I disagree with political parties entirely. We must unite and fight, but I guess we gotta start somewhere, and that may be with the Democrats.
I agree wholeheartedly with this.
I think on the Left we're our own worst enemy. Our far Left folks want to reject everything when it's imperfect/centrist etc whereas thr Far Right seem fine working with government etc and end up advancing their aims.
Personally, I'm also not sure how widely embraced our more socialist tendencies would get us. In a pretty Left leaning city like NY, Mamdami ran pretty much as our wet dream candidate and still couldn't hit 50% of the votes. And I think that our inability to see that a majority of the country may not agree with us really skews our perceptions.
I always say that if leftists could ever learn the lesson "perfect is the enemy of good" then we could actually radically change the world.
In my more conspiratorial moments, I do wonder if part of the point of social media was to keep us infighting so hard on incredibly niche issues.
If I were rich and in charge, I would be on my knees thanking heavens that of all the things the Left and Right are fighting over, transgender sports is a bizzarely major issue instead of, yknow, almost anything else that would seriously change things.
With you 100%. The way niche (note I didn't say unimportant, keyboard warriors) issues are propped up as focal points in political discourse has all the markings of manipulated discourse, imo.
Right? In what rational universe is "some people got angry on twitter" a legit angle to a news story unless your point is to prop up aforementioned keyboard warriors.
I agree, but only because the media is so tightly controlled by the ruling class.
If a new media platform broke out that they did not have control over, and a reasonable left third party took control of that platform, and many people ran to it, basically if, you know, you could win the lottery twice while being struck by lightning and getting hit by a falling meteorite, then a third party could actually emerge and win.
But with them owning Twitter and Facebook and Reddit and Instagram and WhatsApp and every single news station on the planet, there's just no way to communicate what the world could be like to the people who would vote for the better world.
UK also has winner takes all elections, yet "third parties" have substantially more traction over there.