404
RIP Discord: Self-Hosted Discord Alternatives Tested (TeamSpeak, Stoat, Fluxer, Matrix, & More) (www.youtube.com)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
100 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 

I mostly lurk here, and I know we've had this discussion come up a number of times since Discord's age verification changes were announced, but I figured this video offers value for the walkthrough and comparative analysis. Like me, the video authors aren't seasoned self-hosters, and I've still got a lot to learn. Stoat and Fluxer both look appealing to me for my needs, but Stoat seemingly needs self-hosted servers to route through their master server (unless I'm missing something stupid) and I replicated the 404 for Fluxer's self-hosting documentation seen in the video, so it's looking like I'm leaning toward a Matrix server of some kind. Hopefully everyone looking for the Discord exit ramp is closer to finding it after this video.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 32 points 5 months ago (17 children)

What I'm upset about is the absolute wealth of information that will be forever trapped behind Discord. What ever happened to good old fashioned forums? Hell, even a subreddit would at least have been scrapable. If there's a mass migration away from Discord then all that information just gets lost. Example that Lemmings might care about - CachyOS has a forum, but I've seen the vast majority of troubleshooting and user input made on their Discord channel.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • hideshow 17 child comments
    •
  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    What I'm upset about is the absolute wealth of information that will be forever trapped behind Discord.

    omg, you guys are almost there. you're so close, I can feel it.

    so....why is the information locked behind a corporate entity?

    almost got it

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
    •
  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Because people prefer convenience to privacy and accessibility, I guess? If there was an easy way to scrape/crawl discord data I would be hoarding everything I could to repost on lemmy or something but AFAIK there are no easily automated ways to access it.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    and that's no accident. it's by design.

    creating a community is neat, but many are started irresponsibly. they don't take into consideration how to move if things "change".

    people just willingly and blindly trust corporate suppliers because they do "so much stuff". not a care in the world as day by day their dependency grows.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •
  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    That's why my side project energy has been focused on making decentralized solutions infrastructure more appliance-like reliability and boring. So app environment on top can have as close to equivalent advantage as centralized solutions.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Old fashioned forums are old fashioned. Circular logic but there's a lot holding them back.

    • Create a new account for every single niche forum? No thanks. We need a federated solution.
      • Lemmy/Piefed/etc is almost there
    • Antiquated restrictions (e.g. Log in to view images)
    • Antiquated UI - People want emojis, reactions, rich media, etc
    • PHP paid the bills once upon a time but now it's hard to get anyone excited to make big new features for forum software
  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
    •
  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    You've got some points but I would argue that antiquated UI will be what saves the Internet. Keeping out bots and AI scrapers with good old fashioned phpBBS systems that have been around for twenty years will be our clean data as we build systems outside of AI and the techbro properties.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    How hard would it be to create an open source identity token that would allow user authentication on any forum or site that will accept it?

    Something with a public/private encryption system to authenticate users without the content needing to be federated.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •
  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    You might be thinking of the original OpenID system. Instead of the OAuth2 thing we have now with OIDC (e.g. "Login with Google"), OpenID Connect didn't require the site to be configured in advance with the auth provider. You just gave it your email address and off you went.

    OIDC is generally superior security-wise but it's held back by each site to establish a relationship with the upstream site.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    What I’m upset about is the absolute wealth of information that will be forever trapped behind Discord. What ever happened to good old fashioned forums?

    Rather than paying for hosting and operational costs that goes with a forum, social media and the desire for immediacy happened as Yahoo created Groups, then Facebook followed suit with their own.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •
  • [–] [S] 5 points 5 months ago

    As a Giant Bomb fan, it's somewhat renewed interest in forums over there from the operators and users. Discord was always a bad forum anyway, but it was great for immediately being able to have a conversation with people to find answers to problems.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent