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Ubuntu's trust problem in 4 concrete issues - verified facts, no FUD (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 60 points 5 months ago (75 children)

Strong agree. I use a derivative that blocks snaps instead of direct Kubuntu now, and it wasn't Just because of the snaps.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (71 children)

    I use a derivative

    Without Ubuntu Pro subscription the entire Universe repository does not receive any security updates by Canonical:

    https://canonical.com/blog/ubuntu-pro-enhanced-security-and-manageability-for-linux-desktop

    You should consider switching to an entirely independent distribution that does not lock security updates behind a paywall, perhaps something based directly on Debian or Fedora.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (13 children)

    Update: Correction. While you do get five years of security updates for Universe on an Ubuntu LTS, those are updates done by the ubuntu community, not canonical. To get Universe security updates from Canonical, you do have to sign up to Ubuntu pro, which can be done without any payment, but as I describe in my original comment, does require creating an account.

    While Canonical deserves the criticisms leveled by op (that I agree with), it's also incorrect to say that they lock security updated behind a paywall.

    Anyone that does use Ubuntu gets security updated until they stop supporting that particular release version, which iirc is for six years (I may be wrong, thus is from memory).

    If you want extended security updates for a specific version of the os, you can elect to sign up to Ubuntu pro without paying any money. You do have to make an account, and if you so choose you can populate the account info with garbage info and a disposable email, and you'll get extended security updates for that release version.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    While Canonical deserves the criticisms leveled by op (that I agree with), it’s also incorrect to say that they lock security updated behind a paywall.

    Anyone that does use Ubuntu gets security updated until they stop supporting that particular release version, which iirc is for six years (I may be wrong, thus is from memory).

    I quoted the relevant part and yet you still don't understand that Universe is explicitly not covered by security support by Canonical without Ubuntu Pro.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    What's a better alternative that uses apt and KDE and has relatively up-to-date packages (other than Debian testing)?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    uses apt

    May I ask why you seem to be married to the use of apt?

    Just couldn't pass up on the opportunity to insert this banger.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't apt still better at resolving the dependency tree than other managers? (Idk if it is, but vaguely heard so.)

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    IIRC, historically, it was (one of) the first to do so. It took a significant time for (most^[Slackware, famously, continues to not have a dependency resolver. Though, they got their reasons.]) others to catch up.

    still

    Maybe. I honestly don't know either.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    What's wrong with Debian?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I already know about it, so there's no need to tell me.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Fair enough.

    There's also Pop and Mint, though I don't know if their update model differs from Ubuntu at all.

    But if you're already familiar with Debian, why not use it? It's widely recommended for a reason, it's hard to beat.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Pop!_OS uses COSMIC (a modified GNOME), not KDE.

    Linux Mint uses Cinnamon (a modified GNOME 3) or MATE (a modified GNOME 2), not KDE.

    The answer to "why not Debian" is that I try to install Debian first every time, but if it doesn't work for whatever reason I grab Kubuntu instead of trying to troubleshoot it. 3 of the 4 desktop computers I've tried to install Linux on lately ended up with Kubuntu instead of Debian.

    (For my personal desktop that tends to have a bleeding-edge graphics card at the time of building/installing, that's understandable. For the other computers, for other members of my family who don't need the latest and greatest, Debian's failure to support several-year-old hardware -- at least in the installation environment, without fiddling -- was less forgivable.)

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I'm sure you can install KDE on either of those.

    I'm surprised Debian doesn't Just Work for you though. I recently converted my laptop and desktop and had no issues.

    Debian should be great on old hardware too. Longevity is part of their mission. The installation environent might be a bit tricky if you have really old or uncommon hardware, but in those cases I just pick the text installer, which has much fewer dependencies.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    It's not KDE, but I think Linux Mint Cinnamon is a no-brainer for somebody who really just wants to use ubuntu.

    However, as a long time Mint fan I recently had reason to switch to Debian 13 w/ KDE Plasma and it is pretty great.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    lock security updates behind a paywall

    Saying this is like screaming "I don't know anything about Ubuntu except that I hate it!!!!"

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    Saying this is like screaming “I don’t know anything about Ubuntu except that I hate it!!!”

    I posted a screenshot from Ubuntu's own blog. So they hate themselves and lie to the world?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Maybe it was just me, but Kubuntu was also the least stable distro I've tried on my gaming laptop. Constant crashes and random reboots.

    I've had zero issues with Mint.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I started out with Ubuntu a little over a year ago. Then came an update that removed the ability to change the brightness of my desktop's monitor. Felt like an Apple move, so I gave Mint another go. Have really enjoyed it (though I'm starting to eye CachyOS since Mint has seemingly decided to comply in advance with the CA age-verification law--haven't added anything yet, but say they will)

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