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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children) You can respect someone and still think they're wrong. Just like I respect you right now. But if you truly believe in your religion, then you must believe that other religions aren't right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) That’s only your view of it, and if it suits you then so be it. I think the Hindu school of thought is described here, that there is one truth (god), but it has many manifestations (religions) https://www.sanskritica.com/shlokas/rig-1-164-46-ekam-sat Then there is the Stoic view of Logos, which is the ”natural order” of the world. It’s a philosophical view, but according to it Logos has a divine source and it’s up to the individual to align with it and accept it. So since Logos contains multiple religions, does it matter which ones are right or wrong, rather how to align yourself with them? https://www.stoicmentality.com/logos-in-stoicism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) So Hindu believe that the alien worshipping death cult that thinks all Hindu should die is as true as their own religion? That doesn't seem right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) By the way, I actually put in some effort in that comment to you which you downvoted. To me that felt a bit disrespectful of you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Sorry if it seems flippant, but I've been down this discussion before. Done the research before. And I've come to conclusions already taking into account what you sent. A quick Google of "what religions believe other religions are right" would get similar results. The end result is: all religions make up their rules. It's just people finding ways to live with other people. There's nothing in them that isn't explained easily by reality, or disproved easily by saying "no it isn't". permalink fedilink source parent [–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to ask some Hindu about it. Maybe if you’re less argumentative and more eager to learn they’ll tell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago I used to be. I learned a lot about a lot of religions. I was seriously Catholic for 18 years. They all have a dogma that their believers don't follow well. They're often internally inconsistent in their rules. They don't get us new knowledge or truth or understanding of the universe. If you objectively look at religion and how it's used, it seems to be a convenient way to keep sociopaths under control (threat of a punishing father figure), a way to cope with mortality, and a way to funnel money and accomplish social goals. They had interesting uses in the past as forms of local government and keeping people from killing each other. They're often used by horrible people to enhance their power and abuse others. But today what's the point? Get a hobby, join a club, follow the laws, and accept that death is the end. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MerryJaneDoe@piefed.world 1 point 5 months ago You are correct! That is to say, you are right about being not right. At the core, Hindus and Christians basically share the same philosophy on God. In Christianity, God has three aspects. Jesus, The Holy Ghost and God. In Christianity, this is known as "The Trinity". If you pray to Jesus, you are also praying to God and the Holy Spirit. Similarly, ancient Hindus asserted that the essence of the deities was unitary, and the deities were nothing but pluralistic manifestations of the same concept of the divine god. So, if a Hindi met a member of a death cult, they might think "This person is missing out SO much good stuff!" But not really - they'd probably think that Mr. Death Cult Person was a weirdo and missing the point of religion entirely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] harmbugler@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Not necessarily. If I wear rose-tinted glasses while yours are tinted green, I may still believe that the worlds we see are lit by the same light. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago If you believe that, then you believe you do not actually know the truth. But only an interpretation of what might be true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) That’s only your view of it, and if it suits you then so be it. I think the Hindu school of thought is described here, that there is one truth (god), but it has many manifestations (religions) https://www.sanskritica.com/shlokas/rig-1-164-46-ekam-sat Then there is the Stoic view of Logos, which is the ”natural order” of the world. It’s a philosophical view, but according to it Logos has a divine source and it’s up to the individual to align with it and accept it. So since Logos contains multiple religions, does it matter which ones are right or wrong, rather how to align yourself with them? https://www.stoicmentality.com/logos-in-stoicism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) So Hindu believe that the alien worshipping death cult that thinks all Hindu should die is as true as their own religion? That doesn't seem right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) By the way, I actually put in some effort in that comment to you which you downvoted. To me that felt a bit disrespectful of you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Sorry if it seems flippant, but I've been down this discussion before. Done the research before. And I've come to conclusions already taking into account what you sent. A quick Google of "what religions believe other religions are right" would get similar results. The end result is: all religions make up their rules. It's just people finding ways to live with other people. There's nothing in them that isn't explained easily by reality, or disproved easily by saying "no it isn't". permalink fedilink source parent [–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to ask some Hindu about it. Maybe if you’re less argumentative and more eager to learn they’ll tell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago I used to be. I learned a lot about a lot of religions. I was seriously Catholic for 18 years. They all have a dogma that their believers don't follow well. They're often internally inconsistent in their rules. They don't get us new knowledge or truth or understanding of the universe. If you objectively look at religion and how it's used, it seems to be a convenient way to keep sociopaths under control (threat of a punishing father figure), a way to cope with mortality, and a way to funnel money and accomplish social goals. They had interesting uses in the past as forms of local government and keeping people from killing each other. They're often used by horrible people to enhance their power and abuse others. But today what's the point? Get a hobby, join a club, follow the laws, and accept that death is the end. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MerryJaneDoe@piefed.world 1 point 5 months ago You are correct! That is to say, you are right about being not right. At the core, Hindus and Christians basically share the same philosophy on God. In Christianity, God has three aspects. Jesus, The Holy Ghost and God. In Christianity, this is known as "The Trinity". If you pray to Jesus, you are also praying to God and the Holy Spirit. Similarly, ancient Hindus asserted that the essence of the deities was unitary, and the deities were nothing but pluralistic manifestations of the same concept of the divine god. So, if a Hindi met a member of a death cult, they might think "This person is missing out SO much good stuff!" But not really - they'd probably think that Mr. Death Cult Person was a weirdo and missing the point of religion entirely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (3 children) So Hindu believe that the alien worshipping death cult that thinks all Hindu should die is as true as their own religion? That doesn't seem right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) By the way, I actually put in some effort in that comment to you which you downvoted. To me that felt a bit disrespectful of you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Sorry if it seems flippant, but I've been down this discussion before. Done the research before. And I've come to conclusions already taking into account what you sent. A quick Google of "what religions believe other religions are right" would get similar results. The end result is: all religions make up their rules. It's just people finding ways to live with other people. There's nothing in them that isn't explained easily by reality, or disproved easily by saying "no it isn't". permalink fedilink source parent [–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to ask some Hindu about it. Maybe if you’re less argumentative and more eager to learn they’ll tell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago I used to be. I learned a lot about a lot of religions. I was seriously Catholic for 18 years. They all have a dogma that their believers don't follow well. They're often internally inconsistent in their rules. They don't get us new knowledge or truth or understanding of the universe. If you objectively look at religion and how it's used, it seems to be a convenient way to keep sociopaths under control (threat of a punishing father figure), a way to cope with mortality, and a way to funnel money and accomplish social goals. They had interesting uses in the past as forms of local government and keeping people from killing each other. They're often used by horrible people to enhance their power and abuse others. But today what's the point? Get a hobby, join a club, follow the laws, and accept that death is the end. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MerryJaneDoe@piefed.world 1 point 5 months ago You are correct! That is to say, you are right about being not right. At the core, Hindus and Christians basically share the same philosophy on God. In Christianity, God has three aspects. Jesus, The Holy Ghost and God. In Christianity, this is known as "The Trinity". If you pray to Jesus, you are also praying to God and the Holy Spirit. Similarly, ancient Hindus asserted that the essence of the deities was unitary, and the deities were nothing but pluralistic manifestations of the same concept of the divine god. So, if a Hindi met a member of a death cult, they might think "This person is missing out SO much good stuff!" But not really - they'd probably think that Mr. Death Cult Person was a weirdo and missing the point of religion entirely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) By the way, I actually put in some effort in that comment to you which you downvoted. To me that felt a bit disrespectful of you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Sorry if it seems flippant, but I've been down this discussion before. Done the research before. And I've come to conclusions already taking into account what you sent. A quick Google of "what religions believe other religions are right" would get similar results. The end result is: all religions make up their rules. It's just people finding ways to live with other people. There's nothing in them that isn't explained easily by reality, or disproved easily by saying "no it isn't". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Sorry if it seems flippant, but I've been down this discussion before. Done the research before. And I've come to conclusions already taking into account what you sent. A quick Google of "what religions believe other religions are right" would get similar results. The end result is: all religions make up their rules. It's just people finding ways to live with other people. There's nothing in them that isn't explained easily by reality, or disproved easily by saying "no it isn't". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) You have to ask some Hindu about it. Maybe if you’re less argumentative and more eager to learn they’ll tell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago I used to be. I learned a lot about a lot of religions. I was seriously Catholic for 18 years. They all have a dogma that their believers don't follow well. They're often internally inconsistent in their rules. They don't get us new knowledge or truth or understanding of the universe. If you objectively look at religion and how it's used, it seems to be a convenient way to keep sociopaths under control (threat of a punishing father figure), a way to cope with mortality, and a way to funnel money and accomplish social goals. They had interesting uses in the past as forms of local government and keeping people from killing each other. They're often used by horrible people to enhance their power and abuse others. But today what's the point? Get a hobby, join a club, follow the laws, and accept that death is the end. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago I used to be. I learned a lot about a lot of religions. I was seriously Catholic for 18 years. They all have a dogma that their believers don't follow well. They're often internally inconsistent in their rules. They don't get us new knowledge or truth or understanding of the universe. If you objectively look at religion and how it's used, it seems to be a convenient way to keep sociopaths under control (threat of a punishing father figure), a way to cope with mortality, and a way to funnel money and accomplish social goals. They had interesting uses in the past as forms of local government and keeping people from killing each other. They're often used by horrible people to enhance their power and abuse others. But today what's the point? Get a hobby, join a club, follow the laws, and accept that death is the end. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MerryJaneDoe@piefed.world 1 point 5 months ago You are correct! That is to say, you are right about being not right. At the core, Hindus and Christians basically share the same philosophy on God. In Christianity, God has three aspects. Jesus, The Holy Ghost and God. In Christianity, this is known as "The Trinity". If you pray to Jesus, you are also praying to God and the Holy Spirit. Similarly, ancient Hindus asserted that the essence of the deities was unitary, and the deities were nothing but pluralistic manifestations of the same concept of the divine god. So, if a Hindi met a member of a death cult, they might think "This person is missing out SO much good stuff!" But not really - they'd probably think that Mr. Death Cult Person was a weirdo and missing the point of religion entirely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] harmbugler@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Not necessarily. If I wear rose-tinted glasses while yours are tinted green, I may still believe that the worlds we see are lit by the same light. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago If you believe that, then you believe you do not actually know the truth. But only an interpretation of what might be true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago If you believe that, then you believe you do not actually know the truth. But only an interpretation of what might be true. permalink fedilink source parent