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Why Dems Keep Saying Trump Has “No Plan” Instead of Calling to End the War With Iran (theintercept.com)
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A party that built its message around a strong, firm, and unequivocal case to end this war now would very suddenly draw attention to the undoubtedly dozens of congressional Democrats who would not echo this line. So what we get instead is limp process critiques, demanding pointless hearings, and bizarre attacks that Trump is not doing regime change fast enough. Polls repeatedly show the most common criticism of Democrats is not that they are too far left or too anti-war, but that they are too weak, that they don’t stand for anything.

Centering criticism of a deeply unpopular war on those carrying it out for not filling out the right paperwork or producing a satisfactory slideshow — rather than making clear, normative objections to a war of aggression — feeds directly into this perception. But perhaps it’s a perception Democratic leaders, and the pro-war, pro-Israel donors who fund their political careers, would prefer over the alternative.

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[–] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Now Trump is even begging former allies to help USA in the Hormuz strait. Maybe he should have thought of that, before threatening to invade allied nations, and starting trade wars with everybody, and threatening to abandon NATO, and completely fail to help Ukraine against Russia that is a common enemy to Europe and USA, but not to Trump because Trump is somehow compromised and a traitor to USA and democracy.

To say Trump has no plan is to put it mildly. Trump had a plan originally, and that plan is so simplistic only a child could conceive it.

The plan was that Iran should surrender or collapse quickly!

Yes that's right, that was the entire plan! As stupid as that sounds. And when that didn't happen, they were completely unprepared for anything else. Trump had the typical simple minded bully mentality, to sucker-punch Iran, with the expectation that they would give in immediately.

Instead we are seeing Trump once again dramatically increasing the speed of the demise of the American empire, just as he did with the above mentioned behavior, threatening allies and waging trade wars against everybody.

As Trump stated: "I guess our relations aren't what they used to be."

Your goddam right they aren't. And just to be clear to the Americans, this is not just about Trump, it's the entire administration. And the fact that the American population elected Trump twice, means we don't trust the population either anymore.

To say Trump should end the war does nothing. At least not unless he is given some sort of out where he can save face. But that does not appear to be available that I can see. So as a result, he may just as likely try to put boots on the ground. And if he does that, he will 100% sure only embarrass himself and USA further. Because Iran is way way more difficult than Afghanistan, In Afghanistan there was a government somewhat in power that supported the allied forces. AND there were actually allied forces, which there won't be in Iran. And finally Iran is a 10 times harder nut to crack, because it has more than twice the population and area, and it has way better organized and equipped troops for guerrilla war. With more an better places to hide.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    the fact that the American population elected Trump twice, means we don't trust the population either anymore

    I don't trust us any more, why the fuck should you? Idiots have taken over my homeland and I'm here to fight them until they are gone. But I'm one person and I can't make promises for my whole nation. We are not to be trusted until we have a system to ensure this never happens again.

    Sorry.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    There are a lot of good Americans, and also exceptional Americans, unfortunately you are a minority.
    And to be frank, it seems the American population isn't learning, because if they did, they wouldn't have elected Trump after electing Bush twice.
    Bush was bad and extremely unpopular, yet Trump who is clearly worse than Bush on every single point was still elected twice too.

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