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In 2022, the American Medical Association called for a permanent end to Daylight Savings Time, citing negative effects on health (www.ama-assn.org)
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I hope everyone who wants to be on permanent DST experiences an eternity of the first day of spring forward, never rested again

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[–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Who are you saying are morons here? The doubters or the sleep experts?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    The sleep "experts". Complete bullshit. They could say changing the time causes an issue, but this shift daylight earlier is complete bullshit.

    1. Because daylight is constantly changing. Millions of people will get nearly an hour more daylight this month alone, because thats the way the earth works. It is rapid increase in the spring, and rapid decrease in the fall.
    2. Time is artificial. Call it 3 in morning, call it 10 in the morning. It doesn't matter. A person can get up when ever they want. Their rhythm can dictate it, not the clock.

    Morons.

    Pick one or the other, but don't change the time. Either choice is equally as good, there is NO difference.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Think of this way, it's healthier to rise with the sun. That's how we've evolved for billions of years.

    It's unhealthy to rise an hour before the sun. It's unnatural.

    Call it 3 in morning, call it 10 in the morning.

    ??? It's not what we call it. It's when the sun actually rises. Like it or not we've arranged our society to start at 8 am (or 9 am in some places), so no we can't get up whenever we want.

    And you do understand our circadian rythyms are connected to the sun right? The sun dictates our rhythms, not the other way around.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Think of this way, it’s healthier to rise with the sun.

    Lots of places don't have sun at all, or have little sun in the winter. People cannot get up with the sun. Again, the earth is constantly changing what that means, and also varies alot based on where you live.

    Like it or not we’ve arranged our society to start at 8 am

    No. No we haven't. People do things at all hours. Also, see the point above.

    And you do understand our circadian rythyms are connected to the sun right? The sun dictates our rhythms, not the other way around.

    Ok, so get up when that happens if you want. It has NOTHING to do with the arbitrary time we assign to a clock. The day does NOT care what number we assign to it.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Lots of places don’t have sun at all,

    So your argument is that because extremes exist, fuck everyone on the planet? Like what kind of logic is that?

    eople do things at all hours.

    So your argument is that because extremes variations exist, fuck everyone on the planet? Like what kind of logic is that?

    Ok, so get up when that happens if you want.

    What? Like I said, we've arranged our society around 8 am. The vast vast vast vast vast majority of people have no choice in the matter.

    Honestly I'm not sure you understand that we have (had?) aligned our time schedule to the sun. Daylight savings shifts that time schedule to be OUT of schedule to our sun. Yes the numbers themselves are arbitrary, but we have (had?) actually sceduled it to align with the sun. And it is daylight savings that wants to shift that so that we effectively have to get up an hour earlier because work/school starts at 8 am and doesn't change.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    They are not extremes. It is different at different latitudes, be quite a bit. However the extremes prove the point.

    we’ve arranged our society around 8 am.

    No we haven't, sorry. There are plenty of people who would say that is 6. Plenty of people who would say that is 9.

    Again, go look at what happens at different latitudes and times of year. You will see that this argument that there is a morning by the sun that is universal and stays the same all year round fails.

    Shifting the arbitrary number does not change that. Their argument is complete nonsense.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Lol no sun is an extreme.

    Yeah at this point you're just in denial about how the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast, vast to the 10 power live. This is just like the extremes thing, you seem to want to take the idea that since extremes exist, in this case that some people have different schedules, then everything for everyone everywhere goes out the window and everything everywhere is arbitrary and made up and doesn't matter.

    Shifting the arbitrary number

    Again, we are not shifting a number. Daylight savings effectively means we have to wake up an hour earlier because yes we've arranged our society for 8 am.

    Honestly I'm gonna peace out. The longer this goes the clearer it's a case of Dunning Kruger.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    An hour earlier and the daylight they receive is different all over the planet depending on the time of the year.

    You really should stop and think about what I am trying to tell you. This is not too difficult to understand. Think about time zones even, the people on the boarder at some places have very different times the sun is up. Look at a daylight map of the latitude and year times.

    But most importantly: I went and looked at the paper and the intent: Their argument is that we should quit changing. They just picked one. It could be the other one, it makes no difference, they just want it to stop changing. As any rational human should.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Ok I said I was going to peace out, but unfortunately I have to return.

    But most importantly: I went and looked at the paper and the intent: Their argument is that we should quit changing. They just picked one. It could be the other one, it makes no difference, they just want it to stop changing. As any rational human should.

    From the article:

    move permanently to standard time.

    Standard time.

    sleep experts say that standard time (which shifts daylight hours earlier in the morning) aligns best with human circadian biology.

    Standard time.

    But research shows permanent daylight saving time overlooks potential health risks that can be avoided by establishing permanent standard time instead,”

    Standard time.

    That means you are illiterate.

    Please consider this in the future before tellling everyone they are wrong. Peace.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    So you read nothing I wrote. You also read an article. I went and read papers and the publication. Which by the way is more of a report and a summary than a peer reviewed study.

    The thrust of the publications is: quit changing the time.

    The time they landed on (again I think they are morons for the reasons I explained) is they think it is likely to benefit more people, but not everyone. When taking into account all other factors, including time zones, yearly changes of the earth, latitudes, there is no one size fits all, it just MAY fit slightly better.

    Yeah, you probably should just quit talking to me, because it seems no matter how much evidence I provide, you are just going to fall back to arguing about it.

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