▲ 654 ▼ California introduces age verification law for all operating systems, including Linux and SteamOS — user age verified during OS account setup (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 7 months ago by Amoxtli to c/technology@lemmy.world 384 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 69 points 7 months ago (18 children) Wow California leading the way to fascism, who woulda thunk? permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 66 points 7 months ago (1 child) Colorado Dems pushing a similar law rn. Fucking idiots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Do you know if any organizations are coming out against it? I've been looking for a place to plug in. These people aren't my representatives, but I know people in their districts and I'm curious why now? Who asked them to do this? Why did they think during the unprecedented expansion of the surveillance state was an appropriate time to propose something like this. There are only two sponsors. I looked through other legislation they cosponsored and some of it was good, some of it was garbage, but this was among the worst. I'll try calling their numbers and send an email. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (3 children) This kinda seems like a roundabout way of avoiding government /corporate age verification laws? Like it doesn't require ID verification or biometrics and runs a local api to verify age. Can someone smarter than me please explain if this is a good thing or not? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) I'm not saying I'm smarter than you but to me it looks like "Hey yeah we require age verification. So, anyway..." A token easily bypassed "verification" law to set and forget. It's basically the same level of security corrently keeping teenage boys off of PornHub. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) It's not really easily bypassed though, if only the administrator can set the date of birth for an account. if the parent does not use the admin account for daily usage (and they shouldn't for other reasons), then the majority of the children won't be able to change it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago I meant that the law is easily bypassed, for example by not implementing what you described. Good point nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 7 months ago* (7 children) Because it's not that crazy or authoritarian and is basically what most websites already do to "verify" you age (which is to say nothing but asking you your age). But the onus is now being put on OS makers, with an additional clause to build an API for other developers to access so they also can "know" a user's age. The law does not require photo ID uploads or facial recognition, with users instead simply self-reporting their age permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 7 months ago (3 children) The photo ID requirements are what will come next. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 7 months ago (2 children) Maybe. But it will be funny for a little bit when the data starts showing the average age of a Californian is over 200 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 months ago They'll tag all the Linux users with "1 January 1970" permalink fedilink source parent [–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 4 points 7 months ago I am ready to believe those that allowed this law to pass were. permalink fedilink source parent [–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 31 points 7 months ago (1 child) It always ALWAYS comes step by step! First they will introduce age "non-real-check", then they will enforce the check: you have accepted the principle, so what's the big deal if we actually check it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* How do you catch a wild pig? (i dont remember the source) Day one: leave some rotten apples on the ground. Day two: Lay some fencing on one side and leave some rotton apples out. Day three, four and five: add more fencing everyday, but just leave it lying on the ground, keep leaving out apples. Day six, seven, and eight: leave out apples and stand up the fences one side per day until only the gate is left. Day 9: Install the gate, when the pig walks in, slam it shut. Day 10: Eat schnitzel and/or bacon We are the pig and they're already standing up the fences!!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 7 months ago It’s more than that. Go read the bill, particularly section 1798.501.b, 1798.502.a and b. Every developer of every application that can be downloaded from every package system MUST request your age bracket every time it is downloaded. And possibly every time it is launched. Basic utilities like ‘ls’ and ‘cat’, that pong example I pushed as a test, everything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) California leading the way? Have you been under a rock? It even says this in the article.... The law does not require photo ID uploads or facial recognition, with users instead simply self-reporting their age, setting AB 1043 apart from similar laws passed in Texas and Utah that require "commercially reasonable" verification methods permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago (1 child) Get people used to a mild form of age verification. Next step, full ID upload. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago Final step: Drink verification cans before you can boot your PC. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago It’s been that way for a very long time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 66 points 7 months ago (1 child) Colorado Dems pushing a similar law rn. Fucking idiots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Do you know if any organizations are coming out against it? I've been looking for a place to plug in. These people aren't my representatives, but I know people in their districts and I'm curious why now? Who asked them to do this? Why did they think during the unprecedented expansion of the surveillance state was an appropriate time to propose something like this. There are only two sponsors. I looked through other legislation they cosponsored and some of it was good, some of it was garbage, but this was among the worst. I'll try calling their numbers and send an email. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Do you know if any organizations are coming out against it? I've been looking for a place to plug in. These people aren't my representatives, but I know people in their districts and I'm curious why now? Who asked them to do this? Why did they think during the unprecedented expansion of the surveillance state was an appropriate time to propose something like this. There are only two sponsors. I looked through other legislation they cosponsored and some of it was good, some of it was garbage, but this was among the worst. I'll try calling their numbers and send an email. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (3 children) This kinda seems like a roundabout way of avoiding government /corporate age verification laws? Like it doesn't require ID verification or biometrics and runs a local api to verify age. Can someone smarter than me please explain if this is a good thing or not? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) I'm not saying I'm smarter than you but to me it looks like "Hey yeah we require age verification. So, anyway..." A token easily bypassed "verification" law to set and forget. It's basically the same level of security corrently keeping teenage boys off of PornHub. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) It's not really easily bypassed though, if only the administrator can set the date of birth for an account. if the parent does not use the admin account for daily usage (and they shouldn't for other reasons), then the majority of the children won't be able to change it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago I meant that the law is easily bypassed, for example by not implementing what you described. Good point nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) I'm not saying I'm smarter than you but to me it looks like "Hey yeah we require age verification. So, anyway..." A token easily bypassed "verification" law to set and forget. It's basically the same level of security corrently keeping teenage boys off of PornHub. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) It's not really easily bypassed though, if only the administrator can set the date of birth for an account. if the parent does not use the admin account for daily usage (and they shouldn't for other reasons), then the majority of the children won't be able to change it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago I meant that the law is easily bypassed, for example by not implementing what you described. Good point nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) It's not really easily bypassed though, if only the administrator can set the date of birth for an account. if the parent does not use the admin account for daily usage (and they shouldn't for other reasons), then the majority of the children won't be able to change it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago I meant that the law is easily bypassed, for example by not implementing what you described. Good point nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago I meant that the law is easily bypassed, for example by not implementing what you described. Good point nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 7 months ago* (7 children) Because it's not that crazy or authoritarian and is basically what most websites already do to "verify" you age (which is to say nothing but asking you your age). But the onus is now being put on OS makers, with an additional clause to build an API for other developers to access so they also can "know" a user's age. The law does not require photo ID uploads or facial recognition, with users instead simply self-reporting their age permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 7 months ago (3 children) The photo ID requirements are what will come next. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 7 months ago (2 children) Maybe. But it will be funny for a little bit when the data starts showing the average age of a Californian is over 200 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 months ago They'll tag all the Linux users with "1 January 1970" permalink fedilink source parent [–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 4 points 7 months ago I am ready to believe those that allowed this law to pass were. permalink fedilink source parent [–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 31 points 7 months ago (1 child) It always ALWAYS comes step by step! First they will introduce age "non-real-check", then they will enforce the check: you have accepted the principle, so what's the big deal if we actually check it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* How do you catch a wild pig? (i dont remember the source) Day one: leave some rotten apples on the ground. Day two: Lay some fencing on one side and leave some rotton apples out. Day three, four and five: add more fencing everyday, but just leave it lying on the ground, keep leaving out apples. Day six, seven, and eight: leave out apples and stand up the fences one side per day until only the gate is left. Day 9: Install the gate, when the pig walks in, slam it shut. Day 10: Eat schnitzel and/or bacon We are the pig and they're already standing up the fences!!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 7 months ago It’s more than that. Go read the bill, particularly section 1798.501.b, 1798.502.a and b. Every developer of every application that can be downloaded from every package system MUST request your age bracket every time it is downloaded. And possibly every time it is launched. Basic utilities like ‘ls’ and ‘cat’, that pong example I pushed as a test, everything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 7 months ago (3 children) The photo ID requirements are what will come next. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 7 months ago (2 children) Maybe. But it will be funny for a little bit when the data starts showing the average age of a Californian is over 200 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 months ago They'll tag all the Linux users with "1 January 1970" permalink fedilink source parent [–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 4 points 7 months ago I am ready to believe those that allowed this law to pass were. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 7 months ago (2 children) Maybe. But it will be funny for a little bit when the data starts showing the average age of a Californian is over 200 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 months ago They'll tag all the Linux users with "1 January 1970" permalink fedilink source parent [–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 4 points 7 months ago I am ready to believe those that allowed this law to pass were. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 months ago They'll tag all the Linux users with "1 January 1970" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 4 points 7 months ago I am ready to believe those that allowed this law to pass were. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 31 points 7 months ago (1 child) It always ALWAYS comes step by step! First they will introduce age "non-real-check", then they will enforce the check: you have accepted the principle, so what's the big deal if we actually check it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* How do you catch a wild pig? (i dont remember the source) Day one: leave some rotten apples on the ground. Day two: Lay some fencing on one side and leave some rotton apples out. Day three, four and five: add more fencing everyday, but just leave it lying on the ground, keep leaving out apples. Day six, seven, and eight: leave out apples and stand up the fences one side per day until only the gate is left. Day 9: Install the gate, when the pig walks in, slam it shut. Day 10: Eat schnitzel and/or bacon We are the pig and they're already standing up the fences!!! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* How do you catch a wild pig? (i dont remember the source) Day one: leave some rotten apples on the ground. Day two: Lay some fencing on one side and leave some rotton apples out. Day three, four and five: add more fencing everyday, but just leave it lying on the ground, keep leaving out apples. Day six, seven, and eight: leave out apples and stand up the fences one side per day until only the gate is left. Day 9: Install the gate, when the pig walks in, slam it shut. Day 10: Eat schnitzel and/or bacon We are the pig and they're already standing up the fences!!! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 7 months ago It’s more than that. Go read the bill, particularly section 1798.501.b, 1798.502.a and b. Every developer of every application that can be downloaded from every package system MUST request your age bracket every time it is downloaded. And possibly every time it is launched. Basic utilities like ‘ls’ and ‘cat’, that pong example I pushed as a test, everything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) California leading the way? Have you been under a rock? It even says this in the article.... The law does not require photo ID uploads or facial recognition, with users instead simply self-reporting their age, setting AB 1043 apart from similar laws passed in Texas and Utah that require "commercially reasonable" verification methods permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago (1 child) Get people used to a mild form of age verification. Next step, full ID upload. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago Final step: Drink verification cans before you can boot your PC. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago (1 child) Get people used to a mild form of age verification. Next step, full ID upload. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago Final step: Drink verification cans before you can boot your PC. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago Final step: Drink verification cans before you can boot your PC. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago It’s been that way for a very long time. permalink fedilink source parent