▲ 963 ▼ 4Chan knew about Jeffrey Epstein's death 38 minutes before the rest of the world. The FBI tried to figure out how. (www.businessinsider.com) submitted 6 months ago by robocall@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 246 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://archive.ph/mbjoZ
[–] ZephyrXero@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (1 child) We have it on record that Epstein and Bannon were frequenting 4chan, so I can only assume it was someone from his circles permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) Its not. By 2019 there were hundreds of thousands of 4chan users. There were two threads of comments the FBI considered credible. One, specifically focused on observable medical conditions and procedures related to the minutes and hour immediately around the time where Epstein's body is allegedly discovered. https://www.justice.gov/age-verify?destination=%2Fepstein%2Ffiles%2FDataSet+9%2FEFTA00129268.pdf This leads to this document, "EFTA00091641.pdf", and the MCC employee "Tova Noel", and you'll find this question: Search "Verizon" and "Tova Noel", and you can confirm they were a Verizon customer in document "EFTA00133624.pdf", from bank records the FBI obtained. These records show the withdrawl dates on which automatic billing occurred. Go to document "EFTA00123473.pdf" or "EFTA00125018.pdf" and you get the Verizon subpoena, although, numbers redacted, etc.. etc.. but its got the specific date window that matters (July 6 2019 until August 13 2019). "EFTA00133182.pdf" gets you the list of all subpoenas, and is redacted poorly enough such that we can infer which people are being targeted. Specifically, Shuliac, Noel, Thomas remain unredacted/ sloppily redacted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I mean some of the feds participate and/or facilitate unsavory activities, and some look the other way because they are cowards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I don't disagree. But there is a clear chain of custody that the feds pursued and issued multiple subpoenas in an effort to figure out who made BOTH of the 4chan posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Do we know these chains of custody aren't forged? Idk I'm about to sleep, sorry. I have an extremely personality disordered client who threw an entitlement tantrum today on their caregivers and family. It was wild and I am tired 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It would take a huge amount of effort to fake, and real life backs up the majority of their contents. Especially in this case, where the 4chan posts were screencapped/ archived, where reporters knew almost as soon as the feds did. I haven't found any evidence of planted or fake documents so far and I've looked at several thousands of these. It would be truly a substantial undertaking to forge the kind of interlocked chains of custody in these documents. And reality bears out the chains of custody we do see. That would be practically impossible to forge. Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. Talk about overlooking the obvs! Appreciate you for pointing it out to me. Tired. Must sleep. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) Its not. By 2019 there were hundreds of thousands of 4chan users. There were two threads of comments the FBI considered credible. One, specifically focused on observable medical conditions and procedures related to the minutes and hour immediately around the time where Epstein's body is allegedly discovered. https://www.justice.gov/age-verify?destination=%2Fepstein%2Ffiles%2FDataSet+9%2FEFTA00129268.pdf This leads to this document, "EFTA00091641.pdf", and the MCC employee "Tova Noel", and you'll find this question: Search "Verizon" and "Tova Noel", and you can confirm they were a Verizon customer in document "EFTA00133624.pdf", from bank records the FBI obtained. These records show the withdrawl dates on which automatic billing occurred. Go to document "EFTA00123473.pdf" or "EFTA00125018.pdf" and you get the Verizon subpoena, although, numbers redacted, etc.. etc.. but its got the specific date window that matters (July 6 2019 until August 13 2019). "EFTA00133182.pdf" gets you the list of all subpoenas, and is redacted poorly enough such that we can infer which people are being targeted. Specifically, Shuliac, Noel, Thomas remain unredacted/ sloppily redacted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I mean some of the feds participate and/or facilitate unsavory activities, and some look the other way because they are cowards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I don't disagree. But there is a clear chain of custody that the feds pursued and issued multiple subpoenas in an effort to figure out who made BOTH of the 4chan posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Do we know these chains of custody aren't forged? Idk I'm about to sleep, sorry. I have an extremely personality disordered client who threw an entitlement tantrum today on their caregivers and family. It was wild and I am tired 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It would take a huge amount of effort to fake, and real life backs up the majority of their contents. Especially in this case, where the 4chan posts were screencapped/ archived, where reporters knew almost as soon as the feds did. I haven't found any evidence of planted or fake documents so far and I've looked at several thousands of these. It would be truly a substantial undertaking to forge the kind of interlocked chains of custody in these documents. And reality bears out the chains of custody we do see. That would be practically impossible to forge. Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. Talk about overlooking the obvs! Appreciate you for pointing it out to me. Tired. Must sleep. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I mean some of the feds participate and/or facilitate unsavory activities, and some look the other way because they are cowards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I don't disagree. But there is a clear chain of custody that the feds pursued and issued multiple subpoenas in an effort to figure out who made BOTH of the 4chan posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Do we know these chains of custody aren't forged? Idk I'm about to sleep, sorry. I have an extremely personality disordered client who threw an entitlement tantrum today on their caregivers and family. It was wild and I am tired 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It would take a huge amount of effort to fake, and real life backs up the majority of their contents. Especially in this case, where the 4chan posts were screencapped/ archived, where reporters knew almost as soon as the feds did. I haven't found any evidence of planted or fake documents so far and I've looked at several thousands of these. It would be truly a substantial undertaking to forge the kind of interlocked chains of custody in these documents. And reality bears out the chains of custody we do see. That would be practically impossible to forge. Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. Talk about overlooking the obvs! Appreciate you for pointing it out to me. Tired. Must sleep. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I don't disagree. But there is a clear chain of custody that the feds pursued and issued multiple subpoenas in an effort to figure out who made BOTH of the 4chan posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Do we know these chains of custody aren't forged? Idk I'm about to sleep, sorry. I have an extremely personality disordered client who threw an entitlement tantrum today on their caregivers and family. It was wild and I am tired 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It would take a huge amount of effort to fake, and real life backs up the majority of their contents. Especially in this case, where the 4chan posts were screencapped/ archived, where reporters knew almost as soon as the feds did. I haven't found any evidence of planted or fake documents so far and I've looked at several thousands of these. It would be truly a substantial undertaking to forge the kind of interlocked chains of custody in these documents. And reality bears out the chains of custody we do see. That would be practically impossible to forge. Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. Talk about overlooking the obvs! Appreciate you for pointing it out to me. Tired. Must sleep. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Do we know these chains of custody aren't forged? Idk I'm about to sleep, sorry. I have an extremely personality disordered client who threw an entitlement tantrum today on their caregivers and family. It was wild and I am tired 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It would take a huge amount of effort to fake, and real life backs up the majority of their contents. Especially in this case, where the 4chan posts were screencapped/ archived, where reporters knew almost as soon as the feds did. I haven't found any evidence of planted or fake documents so far and I've looked at several thousands of these. It would be truly a substantial undertaking to forge the kind of interlocked chains of custody in these documents. And reality bears out the chains of custody we do see. That would be practically impossible to forge. Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. Talk about overlooking the obvs! Appreciate you for pointing it out to me. Tired. Must sleep. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It would take a huge amount of effort to fake, and real life backs up the majority of their contents. Especially in this case, where the 4chan posts were screencapped/ archived, where reporters knew almost as soon as the feds did. I haven't found any evidence of planted or fake documents so far and I've looked at several thousands of these. It would be truly a substantial undertaking to forge the kind of interlocked chains of custody in these documents. And reality bears out the chains of custody we do see. That would be practically impossible to forge. Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. Talk about overlooking the obvs! Appreciate you for pointing it out to me. Tired. Must sleep. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago Its also clear that there is significant omissions by those chains of custody. If you were going to fake the chains of custody, why would you leave such clear and obvious holes. Talk about overlooking the obvs! Appreciate you for pointing it out to me. Tired. Must sleep. permalink fedilink source parent