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That's some MAGA narrative. In reality they don't. Well, a miniscule minority does. But a tiny minority of every population group will support some silly stuff.

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[+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -6 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Their profit the person they believe to be the holiest man according to their religion married a 6year old and fucked her when she was 9. Anyone who supports Islam supports a person who is a child rapist.

If Jeffry Epstein had a religion where he explicitly endorsed fucking 6year olds and marrying 9 year olds would you tolerate anyone who followed that religion?

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Yeah. I don't think there's a shit ton of muslim women who are ardent feminists. Same as there's not a whole shit load of MAGA women who are feminists.

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[+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Feminist Muslims: I doubt any are Muslim by choice.

Feminist maga's: Depends how u define feminism. The only thing against women's rights trump has done is give states the individual power to decide on abortion rights without that being handed down by the federal government. Plus u don't become president without women's vote and women chose to exercise that right under a democratic system as they pleased (sounds pretty fucking feminist to me).

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The only thing against women's rights trump has done is…

There’s also rape, the rape of girls. The trafficking of girls. The killing of girls. The other rape. The exploitation. The appointment of justices whose first act was to overturn RvW.

Did I mention the rape?

Trump is feminist because women are allowed to vote?

That’s disgusting.

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[+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

I'm not claiming trump is a feminist I'm claiming that I don't think its that unexpected to find a large amount of feminists who support him. Don't try shift the goalposts here.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Why are you lying?

You said, the only thing Trump has done against women’s rights is allow states to make their own decision.

That is a lie.

Trump has raped children.

He’s also appointed judges to scotus knowing full well they would overturn RvW, one of the most significant pieces of protections women (and everyone else, ) had.

That’s not a shift in goal posts that’s me point out how you are wrong.

As for feminists, it’s unlikely anyone that cares about equality and women’s rights voted for him. There are, however, plenty of women who are not feminists who did.

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah. That's one of the many reasons we sane people don't support religion. I don't get it in the first place. Islam has that in history. A way too large amount of catholic priests will be child diddlers. And in US politics it seems to be a bipartisan issue to clandestinely support pedophile crime rings... I mean wtf? Just get your fingers off the children?

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[+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

At least the Christians pretend its wrong. But yeah its all fucked.

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

At least the Christians pretend its wrong.

Aha, since when? Last time I checked they still had that cover-up going to protect their internal structures. That's more important to the Christian church than the welfare of the victims.

And what does the Bible tell us about pedophilia? Well... not a lot, seems it's not wrong in specific?! And what does Christian culture consider a good age of consent? Oh... Entering puberty is a good indicator for being marriage material... So it's literally the same root in both Islam and Christianity/Judaism. Puberty makes you ready for marriage to a man. 11-12yo girls are perfectly fine. Some Christian denomination still practice it that old-school way as of today... And first thing some Jews think of, when a boy gets born, is cater to the infant's penis...

But yeah its all fucked.

It definitely is 🤮

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[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

And the Christian god sent a bear to brutally murder 42 children after they made fun of a bald man. Is everyone who supports Christianity supporting child murder?

Ancient religions tend to have some abhorrent things in their beliefs. You'd be hard-pressed to find any religion that doesn't have some absolutely fucked up things in their history

If the argument is that everyone supporting these religions is messed up, I could get behind that. As it stands, most arguments like yours boil down to hate. Hating an out group because it's easy, because they're different, because they make easy, vulnerable targets

If Jeffry Epstein had a religion where he explicitly endorsed fucking 6year olds and marrying 9 year olds would you tolerate anyone who followed that religion?

Epstein basically did that, and it's a good example to show which groups get targeted for hate, and why

We have people like Donald Trump that actively participated in child sexual abuse, yet far more people will revile Muslims because of the things a central figure in their holy book did more than a thousand years ago

The only difference is Muslims are a weak and vulnerable target. You want a group to hate that can't fight back

And don't get me wrong, I hate organized religion. I think many atrocities across the world, and across history can be attributed to organized religion. I just recognize they all commit similar atrocities, and the reasons only one group is singled out

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[–] daannii@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago

Man, wait until you find out about the founder of the Mormons.

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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (4 children)

You respect people's right to choose their religion. Then you still judge them for their beliefs and actions.

You can be Muslim and eat pork and think women are equal. You can be Christian and not go to confession. You can be Buddhist and believe in violent response to violence.

The made-up rules of each religion are made up and enforced by the people that are in that religion. Those can change.

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[+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

And I choose to believe that we cannot accept such ideology in a western society as it is fundamentally counter to our founding principles. Its a paradox to force me to accept freedom of religion on the bases everyone gets to choose their beliefs. You saying I don't have the freedom to choose not to believe in other peoples freedom of religion?

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[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

it is fundamentally counter to our founding principles

One of our founding principles is freedom of religion.

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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

I honestly can't make sense of what you just said.

Its a paradox to force me to accept freedom of religion on the bases everyone gets to choose their beliefs.

Why? People can choose their religion and which bits they believe. No paradox there. Unless you're going to No True Scotsman.

You saying I don't have the freedom to choose not to believe in other peoples freedom of religion?

Too many negatives. But I think you're saying "are you forcing me to believe in freedom of religion?". And the answer is yes. If you don't believe in freedom of religion then I can force religion into you.

And that said, regardless of people's religion, you can still judge and punish them for hurting others. Laws supercede religious beliefs, and are why freedom of religion is a required doctrine.

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[–] axexrx@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

I think hes fundamentally misunderstanding the 1st amendment. Specifically, congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof.....

The government can't make laws against Islam (or any other, obviously) or stop people from practicing theres.

As a citizen, he IS entirely within his rights to refuse to acknowledge the validity of any or all religions, judge people for the parts of theirs that do not align with his own morals and beliefs.

His 'paradox' is that. He apears to be interpreting the first part of 1A as saying he both must and it allowed not to hold his own beliefs with respect to others religion.

He is even entitled to the opinion that 1A is wrong / immoral. And thats what its also saying. Just as the government isnt allowed to tell Muslims their religion is wrong, the government also isnt allowed to tell him that he can't say he believes they're wrong, ignore them in his everyday life etc (Free speech, association)

Now, like anything, theres limits (hate speech, discrimination if hes acting as a buisness, etc)

But quite literally, he could go around saying "I dont believe Muslims should be entitled to practice Islam in america" and the government can't stop him. Just as wed all be free to call him an asshole and say we dont believe he should have the right to espouse that opinion, etc.

The government is just barred from agreeing with him, or us for that matter. and obviously, everyone is barred from actually trying to enforce their beliefs on other people- the courts are barred from giving him a judicial path to that end, and theres no legal way for him to prevent Muslims from worshipping by his own hand, just as theres no way for us silence him, by design.

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[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

A handful of crazy people don't represent an entire religion

It's like saying everyone should hate Christianity because of Anders Breivik, or asking why anyone is against antisemitism after Israel bombs children

A few people committing atrocities in the name of a religion does not represent the religion as a whole

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[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (9 children)

The oppressed often support other oppressed. Only a small minority of Muslims are misogynistic assholes. Not much different than in any population. One can support the right to freedom of religion without actually liking religion.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 2 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

Only a small minority of Muslims are misogynistic assholes. Not much different than in any population.

U sure about that:

Category / Attitude	Description / Proxy Question	South Asia (e.g., Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan)	Southeast Asia (e.g., Indonesia, Malaysia)	Middle East-North Africa (MENA) (e.g., Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco)	Sub-Saharan Africa	Central Asia & Southern/Eastern Europe	Global Rough Estimate / Notes
Support for Sharia as official law	Favor making Sharia the law of the land (often includes traditional gender elements)	~84% (99% Afghanistan, 84% Pakistan; 2013 Pew)	~77% (72–86%; 2013 Pew); ~58% social media users in Madura, Indonesia (2025 study)	~74% (74–91% in many; 2013 Pew); recent data limited, but tied to rising patriarchal norms (Arab Barometer 2023-2024)	~64% (high in parts; 2013 Pew)	12–18% (8–12% in many; 2013 Pew)	Majority overall (~50–70%+ weighted); persistent in populous regions; often limited to family matters
Patriarchal family roles	Agree wife must obey or men should have final say	90%+ (2013 Pew)	High (often 80–90%+; 2013 Pew)	Increased since 2021-2022; 58-75% men agree (e.g., 75% Kuwait, 71% Jordan, 70% Morocco); 27-53% women agree (e.g., 53% Morocco, 35% Kuwait); highest since tracking in some (Arab Barometer 2023-2024)	Varies, often high (2013 Pew)	51–89% (lower in some; 2013 Pew)	Majority in most surveyed countries; gender gaps wide (men higher); working female relatives reduce support by 6-17%
Justification of wife-beating/domestic violence	Husband justified in hitting/beating for reasons (e.g., arguing, refusing sex)	Often 40–70%+ (very high in Afghanistan ~92%; UNICEF/DHS recent)	Varies (30–60% in conservative areas; UNICEF/DHS)	Plurality report increase in GBV past year (5/7 countries); no direct % on justification, but linked to patriarchal rise (Arab Barometer 2023-2024)	High in Sahel/Somalia (~56–57%; UNICEF recent)	Lower (often <40%; UNICEF/DHS)	40%+ common in high-population countries; tied to religiosity/education; actual rates comparable globally but attitudes permissive
Unequal inheritance (traditional view)	Oppose equal inheritance for sons & daughters	Majority oppose (<50% support equality; 2013 Pew)	Varies (2013 Pew)	Majority oppose in many (<50%; 2013 Pew); no recent update	Varies (2013 Pew)	Higher support for equality (~76–88% in Turkey/Bosnia; 2013 Pew)	Traditional view prevails in populous regions; one in four Arab Muslims support "Muslim feminism" reinterpreting for equality (2020 study)
Women's right to decide on veiling	Women should decide for themselves	Lower in conservative areas (2013 Pew)	High (80–90%+; 2013 Pew)	Low in some (30–46% in Egypt/Jordan/Iraq/Afghanistan; 2013 Pew); no recent update	Lower in parts (2013 Pew)	High (80–90%+; 2013 Pew)	High in secular/urban areas; lower where mandatory; broad support for women's choice in many
Women's right to initiate divorce	Women should have right to divorce	Low in many (<30% Pakistan/Egypt/Jordan; 2013 Pew)	Low in some (~8% Malaysia; 2013 Pew)	Low in many; no recent update (2013 Pew)	Varies (2013 Pew)	High (>80% in many; 2013 Pew)	Sharp regional divide; low where male-led; reinterpretations via "Muslim feminism" gaining (25% Arab support)

Not to mention their literal profit the man they believe to be most holy married a 6 year old and fucked her when she was 9.

One can support the right to freedom of religion without actually liking religion.

And if Jeffry Epstein claimed what he was doing was a religion would it be OK to support peoples freedom to practice that religion?

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[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

Nothing screams good faith questions quite like having an entire chart lined up to show those that dare respond.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 0 points 6 months ago

Nar I went a made the chart to respond to the responce

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[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

Nice chart I'm sure but it isn't really readable on my phone. I think it shows views on various misogynistic attitudes for various regions. It probably matches pretty close to the U.S. general population in the 1950's especially if only polling men. Yes a lot of the Muslim world is socially behind the West - probably because they keep getting bombed back to the Stone Age. And it looks like the U.S. is regressing sadly.
What people do under the guise of religion usually just reflects what they want to do without it. Look at the all the anti-everything-that-isn't-white-cis from many supposed Christians, when their book teaches quite the opposite. And there are plenty of misogynistic atheists. Yes Mohammed having a 6-yo is pretty fucked up, but normal Muslims don't advocate for child brides in this day - they attribute Mohammed's child sex as a product of the times - whether that's fair or not is beside the point - they don't see it as a license to fuck kids now.

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[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

His chart lacks a proper source, so it's not even worth reading. Anyone sharing "stats" without being willing to share the source is hiding it because they know someone looking at the source would weaken their argument

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[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

You keep saying "profit" when you mean "phophet". I really can't take you very seriously when you don't know the difference between the words

It makes it very clear you're regurgitating talking points, rather than being well educated on the topic

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

What a way to strawman a typo. Bravo - a new low

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[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child)

That isn't a typo, that's an entirely different word that they repeatedly used. I had other comments where I gave a more serious and in-depth response, but you chose to ignore those

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago

Sure thing buddy. Go have a coke or smt to chill out

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago

Why would leftists or feminists support Christianity either, considering that the New Testament forbids women speaking up in church?

Just like Christian feminists negotiate with the Bible, Muslim feminists negotiate with the Koran. Religion is much more complicated than all of the “enlightened” r/atheism types want to pretend it is.

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