▲ 900 ▼ "Being vegan is unnatural" (thelemmy.club) submitted 6 months ago by nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world 844 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/55430533
[+] ghost@literature.cafe 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) The argument that non-human animals do not possess some vague set of traits that make humans the only species worthy of being classified as ‘people,’ Metacognition. It's just metacognition. Not vague in the slightest. You can argue that it isn't a good criterion, but it's a very clear one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 6 months ago That criterion fails Karl Popper's principle of scientific falsifiability. Pick some criteria for which you could design an experiment that clearly and persuasively differentiates its presence from its absence. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 6 months ago (1 child) I don't agree with the use of the word "sociopathic". It's Greek for "socially ill" and has historically been associated with pseudoscientific stereotypes applied with people with antisocial personality disorder. Mental disorders are not bourgeois, they are proletarian. They are associated with hardship and trauma, not privilege. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ghost@literature.cafe 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 6 months ago Why would I read books by authors willing to use ableist slurs? Martha Stout and Paul Babiak sound like terrible people I want to hear nothing from. I'm already sure their opinions on mental disorders are worthless pseudoscientific garbage. permalink fedilink source parent [+] goedel@discuss.tchncs.de -9 points 6 months ago (1 child) comparing slaves to animals is exactly what slavers do permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 6 months ago (2 children) We are all animals, and we are comparable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 months ago yep. you can compare an apple to an orange. permalink fedilink source parent [+] arrow74@lemmy.zip -11 points 6 months ago (2 children) So according to you slaves are animals, neat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 months ago (1 child) worst bad faith argument ive seen in a while, thanks for not trying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) That's what they said. I think it's a bad faith arguement to equate human enslavement to cattle production. Yet here we are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It is though, just because you think being a non-human animal is bad doesn't make you less of an animal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) "Well technically" is not a convincing or relevant arguement. Bugs are animals too. They don't get human rights permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago Why not? permalink fedilink source parent [–] caurvo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago* (1 child) It is cruel to treat other life cruelly. In the eyes of slavers, slaves would be seen as animals and treated as such. Meat farmers treat animals poorly, too. I don't understand the point you are trying to make. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago I don't understand the point you are trying to make. what a coincidence neither do they permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) The argument that non-human animals do not possess some vague set of traits that make humans the only species worthy of being classified as ‘people,’ Metacognition. It's just metacognition. Not vague in the slightest. You can argue that it isn't a good criterion, but it's a very clear one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 6 months ago That criterion fails Karl Popper's principle of scientific falsifiability. Pick some criteria for which you could design an experiment that clearly and persuasively differentiates its presence from its absence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 6 months ago That criterion fails Karl Popper's principle of scientific falsifiability. Pick some criteria for which you could design an experiment that clearly and persuasively differentiates its presence from its absence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 6 months ago (1 child) I don't agree with the use of the word "sociopathic". It's Greek for "socially ill" and has historically been associated with pseudoscientific stereotypes applied with people with antisocial personality disorder. Mental disorders are not bourgeois, they are proletarian. They are associated with hardship and trauma, not privilege. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ghost@literature.cafe 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 6 months ago Why would I read books by authors willing to use ableist slurs? Martha Stout and Paul Babiak sound like terrible people I want to hear nothing from. I'm already sure their opinions on mental disorders are worthless pseudoscientific garbage. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ghost@literature.cafe 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 6 months ago Why would I read books by authors willing to use ableist slurs? Martha Stout and Paul Babiak sound like terrible people I want to hear nothing from. I'm already sure their opinions on mental disorders are worthless pseudoscientific garbage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 6 months ago Why would I read books by authors willing to use ableist slurs? Martha Stout and Paul Babiak sound like terrible people I want to hear nothing from. I'm already sure their opinions on mental disorders are worthless pseudoscientific garbage. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] goedel@discuss.tchncs.de -9 points 6 months ago (1 child) comparing slaves to animals is exactly what slavers do permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 6 months ago (2 children) We are all animals, and we are comparable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 months ago yep. you can compare an apple to an orange. permalink fedilink source parent [+] arrow74@lemmy.zip -11 points 6 months ago (2 children) So according to you slaves are animals, neat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 months ago (1 child) worst bad faith argument ive seen in a while, thanks for not trying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) That's what they said. I think it's a bad faith arguement to equate human enslavement to cattle production. Yet here we are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It is though, just because you think being a non-human animal is bad doesn't make you less of an animal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) "Well technically" is not a convincing or relevant arguement. Bugs are animals too. They don't get human rights permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago Why not? permalink fedilink source parent [–] caurvo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago* (1 child) It is cruel to treat other life cruelly. In the eyes of slavers, slaves would be seen as animals and treated as such. Meat farmers treat animals poorly, too. I don't understand the point you are trying to make. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago I don't understand the point you are trying to make. what a coincidence neither do they permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 6 months ago (2 children) We are all animals, and we are comparable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 months ago yep. you can compare an apple to an orange. permalink fedilink source parent [+] arrow74@lemmy.zip -11 points 6 months ago (2 children) So according to you slaves are animals, neat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 months ago (1 child) worst bad faith argument ive seen in a while, thanks for not trying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) That's what they said. I think it's a bad faith arguement to equate human enslavement to cattle production. Yet here we are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It is though, just because you think being a non-human animal is bad doesn't make you less of an animal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) "Well technically" is not a convincing or relevant arguement. Bugs are animals too. They don't get human rights permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago Why not? permalink fedilink source parent [–] caurvo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago* (1 child) It is cruel to treat other life cruelly. In the eyes of slavers, slaves would be seen as animals and treated as such. Meat farmers treat animals poorly, too. I don't understand the point you are trying to make. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago I don't understand the point you are trying to make. what a coincidence neither do they permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 months ago yep. you can compare an apple to an orange. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] arrow74@lemmy.zip -11 points 6 months ago (2 children) So according to you slaves are animals, neat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 months ago (1 child) worst bad faith argument ive seen in a while, thanks for not trying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) That's what they said. I think it's a bad faith arguement to equate human enslavement to cattle production. Yet here we are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It is though, just because you think being a non-human animal is bad doesn't make you less of an animal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) "Well technically" is not a convincing or relevant arguement. Bugs are animals too. They don't get human rights permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago Why not? permalink fedilink source parent [–] caurvo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago* (1 child) It is cruel to treat other life cruelly. In the eyes of slavers, slaves would be seen as animals and treated as such. Meat farmers treat animals poorly, too. I don't understand the point you are trying to make. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago I don't understand the point you are trying to make. what a coincidence neither do they permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 months ago (1 child) worst bad faith argument ive seen in a while, thanks for not trying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) That's what they said. I think it's a bad faith arguement to equate human enslavement to cattle production. Yet here we are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It is though, just because you think being a non-human animal is bad doesn't make you less of an animal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) "Well technically" is not a convincing or relevant arguement. Bugs are animals too. They don't get human rights permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago Why not? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) That's what they said. I think it's a bad faith arguement to equate human enslavement to cattle production. Yet here we are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It is though, just because you think being a non-human animal is bad doesn't make you less of an animal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) "Well technically" is not a convincing or relevant arguement. Bugs are animals too. They don't get human rights permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago Why not? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It is though, just because you think being a non-human animal is bad doesn't make you less of an animal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) "Well technically" is not a convincing or relevant arguement. Bugs are animals too. They don't get human rights permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago Why not? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) "Well technically" is not a convincing or relevant arguement. Bugs are animals too. They don't get human rights permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago Why not? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago Why not? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] caurvo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago* (1 child) It is cruel to treat other life cruelly. In the eyes of slavers, slaves would be seen as animals and treated as such. Meat farmers treat animals poorly, too. I don't understand the point you are trying to make. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago I don't understand the point you are trying to make. what a coincidence neither do they permalink fedilink source parent
[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago I don't understand the point you are trying to make. what a coincidence neither do they permalink fedilink source parent