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"Being vegan is unnatural" (thelemmy.club)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/55430533

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[–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It is sexual, it sounds like they jack them off to acquire genetic material to impregnate the female livestock with

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  • [–] 45 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

    Trying to be "facts forward" so make of this what you will. Source: I was in FFA in highschool in a beef intense-ish area.

    The method of collecting semen I'm most familiar with is when they take a female cow in heat and tie her up, then bring a male bull they want to collect semen from into the same pen. The male will smell the female is in heat, gets erect, and will attempt to mount her.

    As the male is trying to mount the female, people in the pen with the cattle will have a large rubbery "sleeve" on a pole (imagine a cow sized condom on a stick) that they will maneuver around the bull's penis as it mounts the cow. He does his thing in the condom thinking he's inside the female (usually less than 30 seconds) dismounts and then the ranchers have their semen for artificial insemination.

    I've been out of that area for over a decade now so a new method may have emerged since then, but in my Animal Sciences class, that's how we were taught semen is harvested for most livestock.

    Edit: I distinctly recall the "artificial vagina" being on a stick (and laughing about it in class), but best video I can find on the quick: https://youtu.be/-4ma3WeOxbo

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    there is a new method of eletrical rectal stimulation that stimulates the prostate through the anus, afaik only used on bovines

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Ew.

    So that is to say, as far as you know, the method I describe above more or less still applies for pigs, sheep, etc?

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Unless they are jacking off themselves at the same time, it's not sexual.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I get what you're saying but it's sexual assault, no?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    If non-human animals cannot consent, isn't all sex between any two non-human animals rape?

    If that's the case, isn't this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?

    Non-human animals aren't moral agents and can't be subjected to the same moral outcomes that humans have. The same way we can't say a hurricane has done something immoral.

    Non-human animals are moral patients. When moral agents act immorally upon moral patients, the agents are responsible.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago

    isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?

    That's not why people do it though. It is wrong to make up new justifications for actions after the fact. It exists as an industrial process to get animals pregnant more often than they'd naturally choose to.

    isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?

    And no, not all sex between 2 animals is rape. Animals can consent to sex with other members of their species, animals can't consent to sex with other species because of communication differences (the big one being any animal with a human).

    If that’s the case, isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?

    The same way that hunting is more moral than farming, letting animals go at it in a natural way is way better than 1. tricking bulls into ejaculating into tubes and 2. forcibly inseminating cows with that genetic material.

    You need to quantify the rate at which animal rape is occuring to justify using this method on the basis of "preventing rape."

    Also if you sought to prevent any animal rape, you'd have to seperate them all by sex. As far as I know this doesn't generally happen except for their specific breeding season, and it would be cruel to seperate male and female livestock for their entire existence, just as it's cruel to deny them their natural sexual intercourse. Humans aren't supposed to play God with every facet of an animal's life.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    it's a veterinary procedure

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Veterinary in the sense that "it's a duty a veterinarian might perform do," but in this context it's done to create more animals for us to harvest food from. Because letting them do it at their own rate wasn't fast enough for this industrialised society's appetite.

    It's disingenous to call it a veterinary procedure; we're under no illusions about why this is being done. The cow didn't ask for a bloody sperm donor, lol.

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