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Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's "Zionist Bar Problem" (lemmy.zip)

submitted 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) by Salamence@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 hours ago

Corporate media didn’t want you to be exposed to any ideas outside of the Overton window.

[-] reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world -2 points 2 hours ago

Sometimes the further left extremes I've heard hear are indistinguishable from conservative Q-Anon. I legitimately need to check users post histories to understand which extreme they are on

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 33 minutes ago

It's very easy to distinguish if you actually act in good faith, which you clearly don't

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 hours ago

They are very clearly distinguishable, just not to you yet. Until recently, you’d only ever heard disagreements coming from your right, so you confuse disagreements coming from your left with them.

Liberalism in fact has more in common with fascism than socialism: they’re both capitalist ideologies. Previously.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I legitimately need to check users post histories to understand which extreme they are on

If you can't tell the difference between "media companies serve the interests of their owners and managers" and Q-Anon, that might indicate a problem with you rather than with others.

[-] DiscoAssBlazer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

Examples?

[-] reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world -5 points 2 hours ago

The comment I replied to vs. this from QAnon page on Wikipedia.

The cabal is thought to cover up its existence by controlling politicians, mainstream media, and Hollywood.

Only difference is that your side is "right"

[-] DiscoAssBlazer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Billionaires/ruling classes owning the media for manufacturing consent is not a new idea, and even then, leftists/QAnon people have very different views on it anyway. Leftists don't believe there is some secret cabal, the ruling class is very blatant. Right wingers believe in some deep state or the rothschilds, who are a jewish family, "control the narrative", they don't care about class struggle. This comparison makes very little sense.

Also-

QAnon centers on fabricated claims made by an anonymous individual or individuals known as "Q". Those claims have been relayed and developed by online communities and influencers. Their core belief is that a cabal of Satanic,[3][4][5] cannibalistic child molesters in league with the deep state is operating a global child sex trafficking ring and that Donald Trump is secretly leading the fight against them.[9] QAnon has direct roots in Pizzagate, another conspiracy theory that appeared on the Internet one year earlier, but also incorporates elements of many different conspiracy theories and unifies them into a larger interconnected theory

I'm not seeing the relations to "left extremes" here at all. The horseshoe theory is a ridiculous, centrist concept. @davel@lemmy.ml 's comment has some good links.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Only difference is that your side is “right”

lmao, you're the perfect centrist. By your standard, "the Holocaust happened" and "white genocide in South Africa happened" are both equally valid statements. Do you see how ridiculous it is to just group statements by superficial similarity and treat them as equivalent regardless of the substance of the claims or the evidence?