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Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's "Zionist Bar Problem" (lemmy.zip)

submitted 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) by Salamence@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

No one is hiding from problems, but flowers do not grow in a battlefield. They're trampled. You need to have safe retreat, a place to teach, cultivate and grow. Inclusion means ensuring safe harbor through the exclusion of bad actors. I'm here now in the trench, but I do not have to live in the trench. Don't you get that? I have a place to return to, a place to regroup, discuss, laugh, be marry in dark times. What you're advocating for is a horizonless battlefield, with no end in sight. An endless sea of torment and combat with no safe harbor. And for what? "The market place of ideas'"? What a joke. What a dated and dead concept.

The notion of a “free market of ideas” is as mythical as the notion of a free market of goods. Both conjure up an image of a bazaar in which many small producers sell their wares on a more or less equal footing. In fact—be it commodities or commentary—to reach a mass market you need substantial sums of money to buy exposure and distribution. Those without corporate media connections end up with a decidedly smaller clientele, assuming they are able to survive at all.

-- Michael Parenti

This idea applies to these modes of communication as well. The ideological expression of an instance is at it's core the ideological view of it's administration in the abstract. There is no equal footing. Zionist instances will ban you on Zionist grounds. Creating an "inclusive" space for Zionists and their cohort. You can not "win" a debate in their realm as they always have the administration on their side.

The same is true for db0. This motion is simply the negation of the contradiction between wanting to maintain an inclusive and welcoming space for Palestinians, anti-zionists of all stripes, Muslim and Arab peoples; and the open federation model of activitypub.

The people who want to get into the trenches will. For those who don't, db0 is finally a safe harbor for those listed above. Free from having their identities, their lives, their humanity debated for the sake of the free market of ideas.

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -3 points 9 hours ago

Man you really beat the fuck out of that strawman.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

Go back to Reddit

[-] thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip 7 points 9 hours ago

Where's your free market place of ideas now? Out of stock? Bankrupt? Need to be bailed out? Pathetic.

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 9 hours ago

Bruh is so desperate for me to say something I didn't. Bruh go find one of your op friends to fight with.

[-] thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip 9 points 9 hours ago

Lil bro: describes a free marketplace of ideas

Big bro: calls them out for describing a free marketplace of ideas

Lil bro: StRaWmAn FaLcY I didn't saay "free marketplace of ideas" I simply said "we should have open lines of communication with Nazis so that we can debate and harass each other in open and hostile combat, thus treating their ideas as equal to our own and worthy of being heard at all in the hopes that through pure intellectual fortitude our ideas will drive the nazies out of business... I mean bankrupt their ideas... I mean make them go away! All the while giving them direct access to our communities most vulnerable population for literally no reason!'

BRUH

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