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2 years until the Presidential Elections and Liberals are demanding pledges of Loyalty to Gavin Newsom from the Leftists now (thelemmy.club)

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"yes he sold us out for chud brownie points, but he totally wont do it again

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[-] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago

There's something fascinating about the logic of these kinds of people.
If I were to suggest voting third party, they'd dismiss it as nice idea that was impossible because "noone would vote for them."
Yet when they are told someone won't vote for their candidate, then that is an indictment of the voter and not a sign to change strategy. I remember last election running into that paradox with many users on here, and they were always completely oblivious to it.

"Your candidate won't win, people are unwilling to vote for them."
"Okay, but I won't vote for Newsom and neither will anyone else."
"Nooo you have to vote for him!"

[-] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 11 hours ago

What they represent is the people’s rights; what interests them is the people’s interests. Accordingly, when a struggle is impending they do not need to examine the interests and positions of the different classes. They do not need to weigh their own resources too critically. They have merely to give the signal and the people, with all its inexhaustible resources, will fall upon the oppressors. Now if in the performance their interests prove to be uninteresting and their potency impotence, then either the fault lies with pernicious sophists, who split the indivisible people into different hostile camps, or the army was too brutalized and blinded to comprehend that the pure aims of democracy are the best thing for it, or the whole thing has been wrecked by a detail in its execution, or else an unforeseen accident has this time spoiled the game. In any case, the democrat comes out of the most disgraceful defeat just as immaculate as he was innocent when he went into it, with the newly won conviction that he is bound to win, not that he himself and his party have to give up the old standpoint, but, on the contrary, that conditions have to ripen to suit him.

[-] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 2 points 5 hours ago

Time is a flat circle, huh?

[-] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

i think the napoleon-opposition democrats are the tragedy to the trump-opposition's farce. marx describes the napoleonic democrats as representatives of the petty-bourgeoisie, who, as a transition class, "[imagine themselves] elevated above class antagonism generally". the dnc democrats, on the other hand, represent the haute bourgeoisie first and the professional-managerial class as a distant second. they're well aware of the class dynamics at play, and every failure of theirs is at the best of times a refusal to deviate from the interests of the donors. the left-bashing is just set dressing, an excuse for why they, and therefore the state, absolutely cannot give an inch to the proletariat. also it serves as anticommunist propaganda. idk maybe the old democrats were like this too; i haven't read much of 18th brumaire. but for me it's hard to think the current democrats don't foresee their constant electoral losses. the way they treat trump, it seems like they don't care. they know their place. they're happy with their place.