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[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 121 points 4 days ago

Found a calculator: https://www.calctool.org/relativity/space-travel

Assuming we want to accelerate at a constant 1g for half of the travel and then brake at 1g for the second half of the travel we would need 151 years to get there but only 9.794 years would pass on the ship. Depending on the mass of the ship we would need coupe million/billion tons of fuel (anti-matter).

[-] Thorry@feddit.org 59 points 3 days ago

Oh only a billion tons of anti-matter. Good thing we've already made a few nanograms, so in a billion years or so we'll have plenty.

[-] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 days ago

Yeah, and antimatter converts to pure energy with e=mc^2 what means that 60 grams contains like Hiroshima worth of energy

[-] Thorry@feddit.org 8 points 3 days ago

In theory yes, in practice we have absolutely no idea how to actually do that and use the energy in an efficient or practical way. Even just on paper without limitations of technology or costs, we have no idea. Physics simply isn't as clean or neat like that in real life.

[-] sga@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago

adding to this comment, the best way that we currently know how to extract this energy is using spinning black holes, with theoretical efficiency of ~42% (answer to the universe)(src: a minute physics video precisely on this). the naive solution to just touch them gets like 0.01-0.1% of total energy, so in bad case, we need trillion years.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 4 days ago

How can it take 151 years to go 150 light years when not close to lightspeed most of the time? I get the 9 year thing, but 151 years seems wrong.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 63 points 4 days ago

Smarter people than me on the internet calculate that at constant 1g you only need 2.5 years to get very close to speed of light. So I guess you accelerate fast enough and reach 'almost speed of light' very early in your travel and total time is almost as if you traveled at speed of light the whole time.

[-] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 19 points 3 days ago

The main advantage of keeping accelerating when you're at >90% of the speed of light is that it means you arrive faster in subjective time. You could take 160 years to get there and use ten times less fuel (or thereabouts), but the subjective travel time would go up by decades.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 10 points 3 days ago

I think having constant gravity on the ship during the entire flight is also a big plus. Designing a ship where you can live in 0g for years and in 1g for years would be like designing two ships in one.

[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Not that smarter when they forget you're running out of gas by the Oort cloud. Gotta spread ~~christianism~~ capitalism there and build a petrol station before we go further.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

Earth’s gravity being what it is a blessing cause it means we can do interstellar travel faster.

[-] domdanial@reddthat.com 19 points 4 days ago

I just used the calc, it's closer to 152 years. Which I assume means acceleration at 1g for about a year to reach .999c, and deceleration for the same time.

I just confirmed with dV= a*t, a year of 1g(9.8m/s/s) gets you just over the speed of light. I think it's more complicated than that, If I remember right relativistic speeds require more and more energy to accelerate so you can't ever "reach" light speed.

Most of the journey is spent traveling very close to light speed. It's not a linear ramping up and ramping down of speed, since it takes more energy to accelerate the closer you get to light speed. Rather you quickly accelerate to near light speed and spend most of the trip working on that last small bit of velocity.

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

Constant acceleration at 9.8m/s^2 in a given direction will bring you close to the speed of light eventually, but yeah, I'm also not super sure how this math checks out

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 34 points 3 days ago

The closer you get to lightspeed, the slower you accelerate (from an outside perspective). It's actually close to lightspeed for most of the time.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 32 points 3 days ago

50% chance of being in the habitable zone

Imagine sitting on a spaceship for 151 years just to discover your parents' bet was wrong

[-] Zolidus@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago
[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 14 points 3 days ago
[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago

Ohhhhhhh, ok that's clever!

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 points 3 days ago

Imagine getting there and finding out a ship left 50 years after yours that flies faster and arrived 2 years before yours!

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Just imagine sitting on a spaceship for 151 years to find out they got there first because in 151 years space travel tech has improved so much they can travel there in 35 years.

[-] plecks@programming.dev 8 points 3 days ago

Unless we figure out FTL travel that wouldn't be possible.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

so with the solar mass of antimatter ponies that are propelling your spaceship, please tell me how yours works in reality.

[-] bufalo1973@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago

Alcubierre engine.

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 4 points 3 days ago

Nah, Earth ran out of ideas in the 2020s

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Maybe ChatGPT has some ideas

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

i mean shit this isn't even my idea jerry pournelle wroute a short story about it ages ago

[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

What about accelerating 1g for 16 hours of 'day', then 8 hours of 3g 'night'. It would be one hell of a weighted blanket lol.

[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago

It's not just blanket entire body experience that force including internal organs.. So i guess sleeping with tgat would be more than just uncomfortable

[-] dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 2 points 3 days ago

It would only save you a few months

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I say have a spinny ship that does that with the shape of the ring. Some kind of parabolic bullshit I'm sure there's a way to get it to math without having to have a 1g ring and a 3g ring but that works too

[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

The purpose of my idea is to average 2g without expecting people to function in 2g. Not just for the purpose of a weighted blanket

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I mean, yeah. They'd probably have reasons to have stuff in the high grav areas besides sleep areas. I'm not a spaceshipologist I can't think of anything but radon to keep there tho

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

So a bit quicker than terraforming Venus by chucking several oceans worth of ice at it, and some cyanobactera once it cools down in a few hundred thousand years.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Time for Bussard to invent those collectors

[-] Venat0r@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

And you'll only need about 320 million GWh per ~80kg person... plus 4 million GWh per kg of supplies, equipment and ship weight...

[-] bufalo1973@piefed.social 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So 340 PWh per person. A couple of guys with a static bike and a dynamo and that's it😜

Note: the Earth receives 170 PWh of energy from the Sun in a year.

[-] Venat0r@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Sounds feasible for a fusion reactor to provide at some point in the very distant future.

[-] bufalo1973@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

Twice the full energy the Sun gives the Earth in a year for each person is not a future fusion reactor level. 😀

[-] Venator@lemmy.nz 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Oh and also thats just the pure energy for acceleration/deceleration, not life support, steering, thrust ineffeciencies, take off, landing etc... 😅

[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago
[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

I’m guessing you probably go faster than 0.9C after six months, given that the difference is 1 year.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Your statement makes things sound a bit confusing.

To clarify, if you are inside the ship, 152 years will pass.

Edit: Nevermind. Time travel is stupid.

[-] FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago

No, the people in the ship will experience less time then 152 years. Relativity tells us the faster an observer is moving, the slower it moves through time.

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