▲ 1272 ▼ Gov. Tim Walz encourages Minnesotans to film ICE agents for future prosecutions (minnesotareformer.com) submitted 7 months ago by gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 142 comments fedilink hide all child comments Archived at https://archive.ph/Qmuse
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 43 points 7 months ago* (3 children) Nice story, but January 6th rioters were all eventually given a pass, and that's what the ICE clowns anticipate. Just following orders, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 17 points 7 months ago (1 child) They were...by Trump. He's gone in this scenario. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Horsey@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (2 children) And in order to prosecute, you need an opposition party win or a republican with a backbone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kalon@feddit.online 8 points 7 months ago opposition party will win. unless democracy in this US is totally subverted (Unfortunately a real possibility). The real question is whether or not this Democrats have learned their lesson from last time, and be swift and bold. permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago True, true. I don't think many other Republicans who could win an election would have been willing to pardon the Jan. 6ers, but simply not taking action? Yeah, they'd do that easily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago (3 children) Jan 6 rioters got a pass because Trump was elected. Once Trump is dead, that's no longer going to be possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) most of them got slap on the wrist even before the election began, it was clear they dont want to upset the voter base of republicans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago Most of them weren't caught doing anything more than breaking into the capitol building. The ones who actually attacked cops or did something violent got standard prison sentences for those kinds of crimes. Sure, I would have liked longer sentences. But, these were mostly first-time offenders who didn't do a violent crime, so they got sentences that go with that. The aim of the justice department wasn't to try to put them in prison for as long as possible, but to treat them the same as any other criminal. Maybe the idea was that that was going to make the cases harder to overturn on appeal because there wasn't any hint of political bias in the sentencing. I think it would have had a pretty solid deterrent effect if Trump hadn't come back and commuted their sentences / pardoned them. But, pardoning them is yet another way he's completely throwing away the rule book. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago Vance may be champing at the bit, but he's also fucking at the couch, and there's no way that MAGA will fall in line behind him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Tons of sociopaths are watching Trump and taking notes. With series reforms to both our society and political system, this will just happen again and with Peter Thiel practically owning JD Vance, it could be sooner than you think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (2 children) Trump is a one in a million manipulator. There's a reason this hasn't happened since Hitler and Mussolini. Various others like Marco Rubio, Ron DeSantis, etc. have all tried to use the same playbook and failed completely. If you think MAGA is going to fall in line behind couchfucker JD Vance, you're deluded. A big reason that Trump picked him as VP is that he knew Vance was no threat to him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Trump picked Vance because he thought Vance was physically good looking enough to be his VP. No joke. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago But not charismatic enough to challenge him. That's key. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) There’s a reason this hasn’t happened since Hitler and Mussolini That's a wild statement to make considering that Putin is a household name these days. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin is hardly a charismatic leader. Might as well throw in Maduro or Noriega, or Saddam Hussein if you're going to talk about leaders who ruled through fear and force rather than charisma. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child) Putin has been more often than not genuinely popular with Russians; he was very successful at creating a persona that worked in his culture to secure and maintain power. And while Maduro wasn't charismatic, Chavez certainly was permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You don't talk about Hitler "more often than not" being popular with Germans. Hitler famously had huge rallies filling stadiums. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin has been in power for longer and there have been times were his popularity dipped. Then he launched a successful military operation and boom, popularity back up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago How many rallies has Putin held? permalink fedilink source parent [–] castlebravo404@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 7 months ago* Presidential pardon doesn't cover state offenses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 17 points 7 months ago (1 child) They were...by Trump. He's gone in this scenario. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Horsey@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (2 children) And in order to prosecute, you need an opposition party win or a republican with a backbone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kalon@feddit.online 8 points 7 months ago opposition party will win. unless democracy in this US is totally subverted (Unfortunately a real possibility). The real question is whether or not this Democrats have learned their lesson from last time, and be swift and bold. permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago True, true. I don't think many other Republicans who could win an election would have been willing to pardon the Jan. 6ers, but simply not taking action? Yeah, they'd do that easily. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (2 children) And in order to prosecute, you need an opposition party win or a republican with a backbone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kalon@feddit.online 8 points 7 months ago opposition party will win. unless democracy in this US is totally subverted (Unfortunately a real possibility). The real question is whether or not this Democrats have learned their lesson from last time, and be swift and bold. permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago True, true. I don't think many other Republicans who could win an election would have been willing to pardon the Jan. 6ers, but simply not taking action? Yeah, they'd do that easily. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kalon@feddit.online 8 points 7 months ago opposition party will win. unless democracy in this US is totally subverted (Unfortunately a real possibility). The real question is whether or not this Democrats have learned their lesson from last time, and be swift and bold. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago True, true. I don't think many other Republicans who could win an election would have been willing to pardon the Jan. 6ers, but simply not taking action? Yeah, they'd do that easily. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago (3 children) Jan 6 rioters got a pass because Trump was elected. Once Trump is dead, that's no longer going to be possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) most of them got slap on the wrist even before the election began, it was clear they dont want to upset the voter base of republicans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago Most of them weren't caught doing anything more than breaking into the capitol building. The ones who actually attacked cops or did something violent got standard prison sentences for those kinds of crimes. Sure, I would have liked longer sentences. But, these were mostly first-time offenders who didn't do a violent crime, so they got sentences that go with that. The aim of the justice department wasn't to try to put them in prison for as long as possible, but to treat them the same as any other criminal. Maybe the idea was that that was going to make the cases harder to overturn on appeal because there wasn't any hint of political bias in the sentencing. I think it would have had a pretty solid deterrent effect if Trump hadn't come back and commuted their sentences / pardoned them. But, pardoning them is yet another way he's completely throwing away the rule book. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago Vance may be champing at the bit, but he's also fucking at the couch, and there's no way that MAGA will fall in line behind him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Tons of sociopaths are watching Trump and taking notes. With series reforms to both our society and political system, this will just happen again and with Peter Thiel practically owning JD Vance, it could be sooner than you think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (2 children) Trump is a one in a million manipulator. There's a reason this hasn't happened since Hitler and Mussolini. Various others like Marco Rubio, Ron DeSantis, etc. have all tried to use the same playbook and failed completely. If you think MAGA is going to fall in line behind couchfucker JD Vance, you're deluded. A big reason that Trump picked him as VP is that he knew Vance was no threat to him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Trump picked Vance because he thought Vance was physically good looking enough to be his VP. No joke. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago But not charismatic enough to challenge him. That's key. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) There’s a reason this hasn’t happened since Hitler and Mussolini That's a wild statement to make considering that Putin is a household name these days. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin is hardly a charismatic leader. Might as well throw in Maduro or Noriega, or Saddam Hussein if you're going to talk about leaders who ruled through fear and force rather than charisma. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child) Putin has been more often than not genuinely popular with Russians; he was very successful at creating a persona that worked in his culture to secure and maintain power. And while Maduro wasn't charismatic, Chavez certainly was permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You don't talk about Hitler "more often than not" being popular with Germans. Hitler famously had huge rallies filling stadiums. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin has been in power for longer and there have been times were his popularity dipped. Then he launched a successful military operation and boom, popularity back up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago How many rallies has Putin held? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) most of them got slap on the wrist even before the election began, it was clear they dont want to upset the voter base of republicans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago Most of them weren't caught doing anything more than breaking into the capitol building. The ones who actually attacked cops or did something violent got standard prison sentences for those kinds of crimes. Sure, I would have liked longer sentences. But, these were mostly first-time offenders who didn't do a violent crime, so they got sentences that go with that. The aim of the justice department wasn't to try to put them in prison for as long as possible, but to treat them the same as any other criminal. Maybe the idea was that that was going to make the cases harder to overturn on appeal because there wasn't any hint of political bias in the sentencing. I think it would have had a pretty solid deterrent effect if Trump hadn't come back and commuted their sentences / pardoned them. But, pardoning them is yet another way he's completely throwing away the rule book. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago Most of them weren't caught doing anything more than breaking into the capitol building. The ones who actually attacked cops or did something violent got standard prison sentences for those kinds of crimes. Sure, I would have liked longer sentences. But, these were mostly first-time offenders who didn't do a violent crime, so they got sentences that go with that. The aim of the justice department wasn't to try to put them in prison for as long as possible, but to treat them the same as any other criminal. Maybe the idea was that that was going to make the cases harder to overturn on appeal because there wasn't any hint of political bias in the sentencing. I think it would have had a pretty solid deterrent effect if Trump hadn't come back and commuted their sentences / pardoned them. But, pardoning them is yet another way he's completely throwing away the rule book. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago Vance may be champing at the bit, but he's also fucking at the couch, and there's no way that MAGA will fall in line behind him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago Vance may be champing at the bit, but he's also fucking at the couch, and there's no way that MAGA will fall in line behind him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Tons of sociopaths are watching Trump and taking notes. With series reforms to both our society and political system, this will just happen again and with Peter Thiel practically owning JD Vance, it could be sooner than you think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (2 children) Trump is a one in a million manipulator. There's a reason this hasn't happened since Hitler and Mussolini. Various others like Marco Rubio, Ron DeSantis, etc. have all tried to use the same playbook and failed completely. If you think MAGA is going to fall in line behind couchfucker JD Vance, you're deluded. A big reason that Trump picked him as VP is that he knew Vance was no threat to him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Trump picked Vance because he thought Vance was physically good looking enough to be his VP. No joke. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago But not charismatic enough to challenge him. That's key. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) There’s a reason this hasn’t happened since Hitler and Mussolini That's a wild statement to make considering that Putin is a household name these days. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin is hardly a charismatic leader. Might as well throw in Maduro or Noriega, or Saddam Hussein if you're going to talk about leaders who ruled through fear and force rather than charisma. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child) Putin has been more often than not genuinely popular with Russians; he was very successful at creating a persona that worked in his culture to secure and maintain power. And while Maduro wasn't charismatic, Chavez certainly was permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You don't talk about Hitler "more often than not" being popular with Germans. Hitler famously had huge rallies filling stadiums. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin has been in power for longer and there have been times were his popularity dipped. Then he launched a successful military operation and boom, popularity back up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago How many rallies has Putin held? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (2 children) Trump is a one in a million manipulator. There's a reason this hasn't happened since Hitler and Mussolini. Various others like Marco Rubio, Ron DeSantis, etc. have all tried to use the same playbook and failed completely. If you think MAGA is going to fall in line behind couchfucker JD Vance, you're deluded. A big reason that Trump picked him as VP is that he knew Vance was no threat to him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Trump picked Vance because he thought Vance was physically good looking enough to be his VP. No joke. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago But not charismatic enough to challenge him. That's key. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) There’s a reason this hasn’t happened since Hitler and Mussolini That's a wild statement to make considering that Putin is a household name these days. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin is hardly a charismatic leader. Might as well throw in Maduro or Noriega, or Saddam Hussein if you're going to talk about leaders who ruled through fear and force rather than charisma. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child) Putin has been more often than not genuinely popular with Russians; he was very successful at creating a persona that worked in his culture to secure and maintain power. And while Maduro wasn't charismatic, Chavez certainly was permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You don't talk about Hitler "more often than not" being popular with Germans. Hitler famously had huge rallies filling stadiums. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin has been in power for longer and there have been times were his popularity dipped. Then he launched a successful military operation and boom, popularity back up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago How many rallies has Putin held? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Trump picked Vance because he thought Vance was physically good looking enough to be his VP. No joke. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago But not charismatic enough to challenge him. That's key. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago But not charismatic enough to challenge him. That's key. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) There’s a reason this hasn’t happened since Hitler and Mussolini That's a wild statement to make considering that Putin is a household name these days. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin is hardly a charismatic leader. Might as well throw in Maduro or Noriega, or Saddam Hussein if you're going to talk about leaders who ruled through fear and force rather than charisma. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child) Putin has been more often than not genuinely popular with Russians; he was very successful at creating a persona that worked in his culture to secure and maintain power. And while Maduro wasn't charismatic, Chavez certainly was permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You don't talk about Hitler "more often than not" being popular with Germans. Hitler famously had huge rallies filling stadiums. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin has been in power for longer and there have been times were his popularity dipped. Then he launched a successful military operation and boom, popularity back up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago How many rallies has Putin held? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin is hardly a charismatic leader. Might as well throw in Maduro or Noriega, or Saddam Hussein if you're going to talk about leaders who ruled through fear and force rather than charisma. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child) Putin has been more often than not genuinely popular with Russians; he was very successful at creating a persona that worked in his culture to secure and maintain power. And while Maduro wasn't charismatic, Chavez certainly was permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You don't talk about Hitler "more often than not" being popular with Germans. Hitler famously had huge rallies filling stadiums. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin has been in power for longer and there have been times were his popularity dipped. Then he launched a successful military operation and boom, popularity back up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago How many rallies has Putin held? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child) Putin has been more often than not genuinely popular with Russians; he was very successful at creating a persona that worked in his culture to secure and maintain power. And while Maduro wasn't charismatic, Chavez certainly was permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You don't talk about Hitler "more often than not" being popular with Germans. Hitler famously had huge rallies filling stadiums. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin has been in power for longer and there have been times were his popularity dipped. Then he launched a successful military operation and boom, popularity back up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago How many rallies has Putin held? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You don't talk about Hitler "more often than not" being popular with Germans. Hitler famously had huge rallies filling stadiums. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin has been in power for longer and there have been times were his popularity dipped. Then he launched a successful military operation and boom, popularity back up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago How many rallies has Putin held? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Putin has been in power for longer and there have been times were his popularity dipped. Then he launched a successful military operation and boom, popularity back up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago How many rallies has Putin held? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago How many rallies has Putin held? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] castlebravo404@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 7 months ago* Presidential pardon doesn't cover state offenses. permalink fedilink source parent