▲ 1272 ▼ Gov. Tim Walz encourages Minnesotans to film ICE agents for future prosecutions (minnesotareformer.com) submitted 7 months ago by gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 142 comments fedilink hide all child comments Archived at https://archive.ph/Qmuse
[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world [S] 40 points 7 months ago (2 children) Fair point, but I'll take empty posturing that people might run further with than Walz actually wants them to over stuff like Mayor Jacob Frey Says ‘I Do Not Support Abolishing ICE’ After Telling Agents to ‘Get the F*ck Out of Minneapolis’ (arc) and Schumer and Jeffries Refuse to Back Growing Democratic Calls to Defund ICE (arc) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) It indicative of the belief that people work for government officials... Like. Step back and think for a second about all the fucking police resources a city has, all the surveillance and shit that goes on. If he wanted to gather information on who ICE is, he has avenues to identify them besides asking residents to follow them around with cameras knowing full and well that gets people attacked by ICE. If Walz was still a highschool football coach and saying this, I'd give him props. But he's a fucking governor... He's better than Jeffries and Schumer, but that's not enough for a mayor these days, let alone someone running an entire fucking state. Bunch of words and zero action just like Newspm and Pritzker. If shit was fine they could be decent leaders, but they've shown time and time again they won't take any actual action when we're being murdered in their states by federal agents. They don't have the fight in them, so we can't afford to let them be leaders during a fight. Quick edit: Like, he can just have cops follow ICE and document with their body cams or even a dude with a camera. That would be much better evidence later. And they could actually intervene when ICE breaks the law. He can use stingrays to ping their phones as the roll out of where they deploy from He can have cops detain them There are so many more options a state has to stop federal overreach and abuses than random citizens can. Walz ain't asking us to help. He's telling us he won't do shit and it's on us And if that's what he wants to do, he can get the fuck out of the way and let someone else lead while he follows permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago Yeah. I'd like to see the NG stop every vehicle going in and out of the ICE facility. "Just running a quick check boys. Where are you going? What are you going to do there? Do you have a signed judicial warrant? Okay, we'll get you there. You'll have a leading and a tailing escort vehicle, and 8 armed National guardsmen to 'protect you'. Once you have executed your judicial warrant, you will be escorted back to this facility" Basically, make sure that everything is on the up and up every time these guys go out. I think enforcing a bureaucratic slog will kill the raging gestapo cosplay boner these ICE troopers have. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com -3 points 7 months ago Mayor Jacob Frey Says ‘I Do Not Support Abolishing ICE’ After Telling Agents to ‘Get the F*ck Out of Minneapolis’ (arc) Schumer and Jeffries Refuse to Back Growing Democratic Calls to Defund ICE (arc) One of these is not like the other: someone can call for defunding without further calling for outright abolishing. Is there a name for the baby-brained fallacy where someone can't draw obvious distinctions? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) It indicative of the belief that people work for government officials... Like. Step back and think for a second about all the fucking police resources a city has, all the surveillance and shit that goes on. If he wanted to gather information on who ICE is, he has avenues to identify them besides asking residents to follow them around with cameras knowing full and well that gets people attacked by ICE. If Walz was still a highschool football coach and saying this, I'd give him props. But he's a fucking governor... He's better than Jeffries and Schumer, but that's not enough for a mayor these days, let alone someone running an entire fucking state. Bunch of words and zero action just like Newspm and Pritzker. If shit was fine they could be decent leaders, but they've shown time and time again they won't take any actual action when we're being murdered in their states by federal agents. They don't have the fight in them, so we can't afford to let them be leaders during a fight. Quick edit: Like, he can just have cops follow ICE and document with their body cams or even a dude with a camera. That would be much better evidence later. And they could actually intervene when ICE breaks the law. He can use stingrays to ping their phones as the roll out of where they deploy from He can have cops detain them There are so many more options a state has to stop federal overreach and abuses than random citizens can. Walz ain't asking us to help. He's telling us he won't do shit and it's on us And if that's what he wants to do, he can get the fuck out of the way and let someone else lead while he follows permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago Yeah. I'd like to see the NG stop every vehicle going in and out of the ICE facility. "Just running a quick check boys. Where are you going? What are you going to do there? Do you have a signed judicial warrant? Okay, we'll get you there. You'll have a leading and a tailing escort vehicle, and 8 armed National guardsmen to 'protect you'. Once you have executed your judicial warrant, you will be escorted back to this facility" Basically, make sure that everything is on the up and up every time these guys go out. I think enforcing a bureaucratic slog will kill the raging gestapo cosplay boner these ICE troopers have. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago Yeah. I'd like to see the NG stop every vehicle going in and out of the ICE facility. "Just running a quick check boys. Where are you going? What are you going to do there? Do you have a signed judicial warrant? Okay, we'll get you there. You'll have a leading and a tailing escort vehicle, and 8 armed National guardsmen to 'protect you'. Once you have executed your judicial warrant, you will be escorted back to this facility" Basically, make sure that everything is on the up and up every time these guys go out. I think enforcing a bureaucratic slog will kill the raging gestapo cosplay boner these ICE troopers have. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago Yeah. I'd like to see the NG stop every vehicle going in and out of the ICE facility. "Just running a quick check boys. Where are you going? What are you going to do there? Do you have a signed judicial warrant? Okay, we'll get you there. You'll have a leading and a tailing escort vehicle, and 8 armed National guardsmen to 'protect you'. Once you have executed your judicial warrant, you will be escorted back to this facility" Basically, make sure that everything is on the up and up every time these guys go out. I think enforcing a bureaucratic slog will kill the raging gestapo cosplay boner these ICE troopers have. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com -3 points 7 months ago Mayor Jacob Frey Says ‘I Do Not Support Abolishing ICE’ After Telling Agents to ‘Get the F*ck Out of Minneapolis’ (arc) Schumer and Jeffries Refuse to Back Growing Democratic Calls to Defund ICE (arc) One of these is not like the other: someone can call for defunding without further calling for outright abolishing. Is there a name for the baby-brained fallacy where someone can't draw obvious distinctions? permalink fedilink source parent