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Pope Francis condemned the "very strong, organised, reactionary attitude" in the US church and said Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the US Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Francis’ comments were an acknowledgment of the divisions in the US Catholic Church, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Broken clock right twice a day, etc.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

American conservatives really hate that this pope prioritizes Jesus-y stuff like love, forgiveness, and taking care of your fellow humans.

I have a bunch of Catholic family members that are much more into being angry, fighting to shove dogma down everyone’s throat, and not helping anyone that doesn’t sit in the pew next to them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vatican Girl sheds some light on that, great show.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could you summarize what they found?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm in episode 2 out of 4 and so far,

spoilerIt's about a girl from a family that lived on Vatican grounds who was kidnapped. We know the mob and the Vatican are working together and the pope tried to cover it up. The pope was backing a Polish group that was going after communism in Russia. The US and the pope were on the same side for this one issue. The bank on the Italian side of the Vatican walls were laundering money so the pope could send money to the group that was going after communism. The girl who was kidnapped and probably killed was a warning to the pope that the mafia wanted their money back since the money was supposed to go both ways, but stopped at the Vatican. The last time we have info on the girl is that the mafia dropper her off to a person dressed as a priest.

That's how I understand it, it's complicated and they're going through it as the journalist discovers information. This journalist is amazing and did a deep dive on their finances. I grew up catholic and still think of the religion and a lot of my friends and family as awesome, but that church was corrupt all the way down to the small parishes. The small parishes just did it in a different way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mind you, none of that is 100% true. It’s just one of the most likely hypotheses. No one will ever know for sure what the hell happened to that girl.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Read the journalist's books on the finances or "Vatileaks", it's more likely than not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think that's very fair, he's been very consistent in his positions from everything I've ever heard about the man. He won't directly come out in support of LGBT, pro-choice, or contraception, but he hints that the church might be on the wrong side of many issues and is very vocal about the message of love and acceptance

Keeping in mind he's at the helm of a very large ship in a problematic place that likes to split apart, I think it's understandable that he balances keeping the thing together with steering in a better direction

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

He basically said Charlie Hebdo “had it coming”. Fuck him.