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Look, I actually have to spend my time around Americans. I dislike them probably more than a lot of people who say stuff like in [https://www.reddit.com/r/TankieTheDeprogram/s/eHww4UALHm](this thread). But it's not out of lack of trying.

But that's besides the point. No other country's people gets treated this way. And no, I'm not going to say I'm more oppressed than people in the global south or whatever. In fact a lot of psychological problems result from the fact that I'm privileged to be in the global north.

But Americans are so often...dismissed. That's the only term i can come up with. But everyone talks about it in such idealist matter. They always talk individuals or idealism or whatever. The closest to material analysis is "the proletariat's material conditions are closer aligned to the imperialist Bourgeoisie." But that doesn't just apply to Americans.

But, look. Why doesn't any other people get treated this way? Genuinely. I don't think Stalin sat down and said "well Germany lost a major world war and went through multiple economic crises and still hasn't had a socialist revolution. So obviously it's a lost cause, kill all of them." Japan and South Korea are never treated this way, despite being very arguably in similar boats. And if we want to talk about material conditions, what about Indonesia or Iran or Cambodia or so many other nations? They haven't had socialist revolutions yet despite their material conditions, so does that mean these people are useless treatlerites too?

I'm sorry. I know, again, we're in the imperial core, we're privileged. I don't know what part of my mentally ill brain it is, but it's just that the logic completely fails for me and that gives me anxiety, because reasons. Not just that, but the actual oppression of the communist and self determination movements here are also just ignored.

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[-] MissGibraltar59@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Buddy, I'm gonna be upfront with you and not sugar coat it: stop whining about stuff like that during times like this. You have to understand why so many people in that thread have such a hate for americans, including american leftists, your country literally just did a coup and invason. People simply look at your country and how seemingly nothing changes coup after coup, invasion after invasion, overthrow after overthow - your political situation and enviornment isn't getting any more leftist, in fact the opposite. People expect something, ANYTHING, from you because its your country thats destroying the whole world without any remorse, and those people see no meaningful praxis what so ever. Even your own argument with Germany doesnt work, because Germany had a revolution attempt, only a failed one. What are you looking for exactly? Validation? Coddling? Is this why you're doing this for, why you are a socialist? Just accept these genuine criticisms of the people of the global south and actually do something that will earn their respect.

[-] Marat@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 month ago

It's stuff like this that bugs me. Stop talking to me like I don't know this stuff. And better yet stop accusing me of shit that I never said. I don't need validation or coddling or whatever other thing you're trying to project onto me. I just don't like being portrayed as some criminal for existing where i do or living in a country I don't even want to live in, or constantly being told that my fight is some sort of lost cause. Yknow how many times I've been told to "just leave the country?"

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