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Trump says US has "captured" Venezuelan President Maduro and his wife in "large scale strike" - latest (www.bbc.com)
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[+] -40 points 8 months ago (31 children)

Don't wanna be the kind of person who says "yet you live in jsociety", but you're saying this as an American citizen - you're exercising your right to fhe freedom of speech, as per the First Amendment (which also includes the freedoms of religion, of the press, to assemble peacefully, and to redress grievances). Would you say that you'd love America if they elected a socialist president?

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I'm not American but to answer your question: no, I don't care who Americans elect. The country is a corrupt terrorist state and won't get any better without being split apart and/or rebuilt from the ground up

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    Yep. I can't see a reformist answer to the core problems of the US. A US president is still beholden to haute capital who own the mass media, the tech industries, the supermarkets, etc.. A hypothetical socialist president would turn out worse than Allende. In order to solve the core issues of the USA, it would need to cease being the USA and become some other country.

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  • [+] -8 points 8 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    I don't know what you're trying to get me to say but your country has repeatedly threatened us (Canada) with annexation and has tariffed us to the point where people I know are barely holding onto their jobs. The thing that angers me the most about it is the fact that Americans don't even seem to consider the annexation threats a factor in why Canadians are angry at them. The amount of propaganda your country pumps into its people means that a majority of even the most progressive people are thoroughly brainwashed into believing that getting to be American is actually a blessing

    I can assure you that I don't have anything nice to say about the US no matter the hypothetical scenario

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  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I can't answer any of your questions unfortunately. I don't know what repercussions the UK winning the war of 1812 would bring but my uneducated knee-jerk opinion would be that I think North America would have been better off as individual colonies turned countries rather than massive states. I think an EU style system with much smaller countries would have prevented what the US became. But again, that's just my uneducated opinion and I haven't put a lot of thought into it

    For the communism stuff: I am not nearly well read enough about it to recommend anything

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Meh. I only oppose the "President" part of "socialist President", not the "socialist" part.

    And I hate AmeriKKKa no matter who's in charge. It's a racist settler-colonial capitalist entity.

    Like you can have free speech without AmeriKKKa. But also...try standing in front of your local AmeriKKKan university with a "John Brown did nothing wrong" sign, or basically any sufficiently inflammatory black or indigenous radical sign, and see how long your freedom of speech gets respected. I.e., the AmeriKKKan entity is an impediment to free speech if you're an anarchist, communist, anti-capitalist, black, indigenous, etc.

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  • [+] -11 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    If the US becomes a socialist country during the Great Depression (a lot like in the althistory story "Reds! A Revolutionary Timeline"), would you like the country more?

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    Probably. Again, I oppose the "country" part of "socialist country". And frankly, a "socialist" project that adopts the AmeriKKKan flag, i.e. positioning itself as somehow an extension of the AmeriKKKan project, is not a project worth pissing on.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    What flag do you have the mind for a socialist America? Maybe the kind of flag like the UASR in "Reds!"? I really like that flag - it DOESN'T rely on the red-white-blue, stars and stripes combination like some of the other althistory stories about a socialist US. Here, the combination of colors is red, black and gold, NOT to mention to the hammer-compass-gear-wheat symbol on the centre of the flag

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    I mean yeah I'd be cool with that being the flag of a commune, although I don't think we necessarily need to have an "America-scale" single anarchist community. Like my vision of post-US North America looks more like complex networks of autonomous local collectives.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    Why would electing a socialist president change anything? The US would still be a fascist imperialist hell state deserving of death. The president doesn't control everything, capitalists and the military industry would still be waging global wars.

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  • [+] -10 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    What about a communist president who advocates for constitutional reform?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    I think a president and enough political supporters could turn the US into a socialist or communist state, a president like that could at least make some incremental changes, but with the elections and state functions so controlled by capitalists and bourgeois interests it seems unlikely in the US political climate. I don't think it's impossible though and we should use all means possible to help, but issues we face such as climate change and wealth inequality require more substantial changes that aren't likely to be passed and implemented quickly enough within the current structure to adequately address them in time.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    So you think the US would become a one-party socialist country (or a multi-party socialist country, but all parties work cooperatively under a common cause a lot like China)?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Maybe in time or with better political education, but if a president suddenly tried to do that anywhere in the near future I would guess it could cause conservative states to cecede like the civil war to defend capitalism, or at least some kind of violent conflict is likely to happen.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    You know that "freedom of speech" was created as a cover for overt racism but with buzzwords, right?

    And you know USA legally segregated people until the 60/70s right?

    How does that amendment hold up when you're legally segregated, mother fucker?

    Don't come with that sham branding tactic to lecture us. Go read your history and fuck off.

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