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[–] 105 points 3 years ago (82 children)

Removing criticism of transphobia because "the evil hexbears" is fucking wild.

Placing anticommunism above transphobia on your priorities list guarantees a slide into fascism. Once you start covering up and defending bigotry as long as the bigots are anticommunists you give the perfect cover for fascists to fuck around in your space. By the time a server owner realises that they've made everyone non-fascist leave (or conform to the culture they create thus becoming part of them) they end up just accepting it because doing anything about it would mean killing the entire community population. Because the narcissistic power of being community owner comes first.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 3 years ago* (80 children)

    I agree with you and you're being really correct, but narcissistic is a slur. The origin of the word comes from the disability Narcissistic Personality Disorder. You're obvious talking about neurotypical behaviour, so could you use a different word?

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  • [–] 62 points 3 years ago (56 children)

    The origin of the word actually comes from the Greek myth, and vastly predates the disorder but I'm going to assume you're just trolling.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago (19 children)

    Bad take, that's fucking dumb and you know it, the common usage of the term relates to the disorder not the mythological character.
    we ban calling people a sch*zo here, why shouldn't we ban calling someone a narcissist?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Personality disorders are divergences from normal patterns of thought and behaviour. In plenty of cases, they are caused by physical differences in the brain.
    They are definitionally neurodivergance, and become disability when the resulting behaviours impact an individual's ability to function normally in society.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Well, you said that the word narcissist is useful because it helps people identify abusive parents. Which would imply you think there's some connection between being an abuser and having NPD. So the fact that you think a mental disorder is responsible for abuse is an example of that systemic, oppressive otherization that we narcissists experience. I was told by a former friend that I don't deserve to live, because narcissists don't have a shred of humanity. Is that not oppressive otherisation to you?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    I agree that it's not desirable to conflate the two in common usage, but I don't really see how that can be done while continuing to use those specific terms.

    What constitutes toxic behaviour is culturally subjective. Many people in the first group would have been considered a part of the second not so long ago.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 3 years ago* (35 children)

    Narcissus is a Greek name. Narcissistic is an english word. The ancient greeks did not call anything narcissistic, because the word didn't exist.

    The N word comes from Spanish but people who use it aren't speaking spanish, are they?

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago (22 children)

    An English word that existed long before anyone was ever diagnosed with NPD. I'm very sorry for your diagnosis but trying to make an entire existing word unusable for everyone else is kinda the definition of narcissistic also.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 3 years ago (20 children)

    X to doubt on your claim there, but why does that matter? The N word and the R word existed before they were slurs too. Are you going to apply the same logic there or do you have a unique hatred for pwNPD?

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  • [–] 32 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    Doesn't narcissism predate NPD through the story of Echo and Narcissus? Or through the works of people like Freud? Or is this a joke I'm just not picking up on?

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Suppose a white skinned american who doesn't speak fluent spanish were to call a black person "negro". When confronted about their obvious racism, they defend their language with "I'm just speaking spanish, and it's not racist in spanish". This is obviously a cope and the person is obviously a racist. While the original origin of the word may be from spanish, the word has passed into english through racialised use. Any use in english by a non spanish speaker must therefore be assumed to be racial.

    While the word "Narcissus" has its original origins as a Greek name, the separate but related word "narcissistic" was coined by english speaking psychologists, and it passed into common english vernacular through Christopher Lasch's book The Culture of Narcissism, which presented the thesis that narcissistic personality disorder was becoming more common in comptemporary america. Given that most common use of the word narcissistic is derived from the cultural impacts of this book, it's safe to associate any use of the term in common discourse with the disorder. Especially since while 50% of the users of the word will respond like you did, the other 50% will respond with "Yes, I was talking about NPD because narcissists deserve to be hated for their disorder".

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    But no one's pretending to speak Greek or any other language. The word has a common non-technical definition in English and that's what people usually mean when using it.

    I don't get what you're saying, does the origin of a word determine how it should be used or not? Because originally, negro was the accepted term used for black people (in English ofc) before it became a slur. A more relevant example would be the word "moron" - even though it was originally a formal diagnosis, nobody who uses the word nowadays is thinking about psychology.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    Wouldn't choosing to maintain the fake sense of status that running an online community creates instead of deleting it because of the harm it does or will do definitionally narcissistic? Or is there a requirement here for such actions to be a lifelong pattern?

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    i would just change it to self-centered. this is an online topic that’s not worth the argument and also narcissism unfortunately does have lightly ableist connotations now since the word has now been medicalized

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    Narcissists are only 1% of the population, yet we see this behaviour from anyone who owns a large platform. Unless you want to present the thesis that people with NPD are privileged because we own all the social media sites, we must conclude that this pattern of behaviour is common to neurotypicals as well.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    narcissism doesn't have to be disruptive enough of a persons' life to be a disorder diagnosis. Should we start calling anxious feelings something else because some people have severe anxiety that we label a disorder? petty narcissism isn't the same as NPD and this is the first time i've seen someone try to equate the two.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago

    I'm not really against moving off the word I just feel a bit odd about it. Like you point out.

    I think with anxiety there's a small difference in that it's never used perjoratively. Whereas narcissism is. But I agree with you that if anxiety can be used descriptively for a type of behaviour without meeting the standards for it being a disorder narcisisstic behaviour can be the same thing without meeting the standard.

    In the same way anxiety could also be replace with "uncomfortable" or "scared" but this would not be as strong in tone, not really describing the seriousness of the emotion. In this same way narcissism shares that.

    Again though, not really a hill I'd die on or anything. It is certainly overused for even incredibly minor things at times.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Nah I think it's moreso the use of the word, but I've only ever known of it by that term; I'm not sure what other label would exist for it.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Well the word for self-interested behaviour is "selfish"

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